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Translation

Don't you think that the list of books published must also contain a translated version in English in parenthesis? It is the english wikipedia. 117.204.143.159 (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Done --MarmotteiNoZ 00:26, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Is he a Jew?

Böri (talk) 05:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

No. Otkdna (talk) 18:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

President elect

I think this page should be preventively protected on May 6 from 18:00 to 20:00 CET because during this period "unofficial" results are going to appear and there will be great temptations to edit the page and tell he is the president elect before it is official. Hektor (talk) 05:21, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

  • I think it is ok to include press reports that (per exit polling) he appears to have won the election.[1] 64.160.39.217 (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

The first paragraph should read "a French politician and the president-elect of France . . ." rather than "is a French politician who is the president-elect . . ." 98.231.22.136 (talk)

Infobox image

I think File:François Hollande - Janvier 2012 (cropped).jpg, which has been in use for several weeks now, is the best choice for the infobox and, in keeping with WP:IMAGES it a) faces towards the article; b) is most recent - a huge advantage given it was taken during the recent presidential campaign and c) it's of higher quality These criteria don't apply to File:Meeting François Hollande 22 September 2011 N2.jpg, which one (or maybe two) images insist using in the infobox. Perhaps the latter image can be used further down the article? But I don't know how it could be captioned. -- Peter Talk page 00:02, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

President of France >> Policies

  • "Hollande supported same-sex marriage and adoption for LGBT couples, and has plans to pursue the issue in early 2013"

No! Hollande said these will be legalized in August 2012 if Left wins majority at Assemblée Nationale next month. 109.15.46.23 (talk) 05:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 May 2012

I find:

"Hollande won the election for his successor as First Secretary of the French Socialist Party,"

A SLIGHTLY better way of saying this is:

"Hollande won the election to succeed him as First Secretary of the French Socialist Party,"

I.e., change "for his successor" to "to succeed him". From time to time I see references to "candidate(s) to succeed ___".


What do you think about adding the policies section for important political persons for all wikipedia pages? i think there should be a spinoff wiki, called wikipolitics which specifically deals with political persons policies, their voting histories in major legislation, their proposed bills, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.87.128 (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC) 128.63.16.82 (talk) 17:43, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Please consider changing 'escaped Holland (the Netherlands)' to 'escaped Holland (in the Netherlands)' as equalling Holland and the Netherland is offending to the Dutch people. Thanks.

Not done: It looks as if some of the changes have been made. Also, the article is no longer semi-protected, so I'm closing the request. ~Adjwilley (talk) 00:11, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

unprotect

Can this article be unprotected? There really wasn't much vandalism leading up to the protection, and the flurry of random interest in the article immediately following the election has probably died down by now. Thanks. 64.160.39.217 (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Champagne

About the champagne thing in the section "Controversies", which suggests Hollande (or his supporters) would have spent tons of money at the victory speech which is a paradox: it's very common in France to drink champagne for any kind of celebration (middle-class included). This is not an ostentatious way to celebrate at all. France Presse reports that as part of the atmosphere during the party. That being said, is this sentence relevant? Skull33 (talk) 21:33, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree and I don't think it's relevant at all. Drinking champagne at a celebration part doesn't seem particularly controversial. I expect it was added to try and give more balance to that Daily Mail article. I'd propose we remove it.. -- Peter Talk page 23:45, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, it's common to drink champagne at celebrations in France. The source us being misused in a clumsy attempt to prop up the Daily Mail. In fact, I'm removing the whole thing. I'm all in favour of controversy sections when there's a meaningful controversy, but here it's a single-source opinion piece by a foreign tabloid, and to build a "controversy" section around it is to give it undue weight by far. The Mail isn't exactly known for its insightful and meaningful commentaries on foreign politics... Aridd (talk) 07:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, after discovering the paragraph, I modified it to underline the fact that the Mail is a tabloid (not to say complete rubbish), and give more neutrality, but I'm favourable all the way to a deletion of the section. Champagne is indeed extremely common in celebrations over here, and I think that even the losing side had some. Manutaust (talk) 13:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Serene Highness

Is there a citation for the president of France being styled "His Serene Highness" in Andorra? The Andorran government does not seem to use that style. --Ibagli (Talk) 08:03, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't find one so I am tempted to remove this until it is sourced. I find the prominence some editors keep giving to this quirk of Andorra's constitution slightly silly. Mezigue (talk) 09:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Work/Jobs Held

- What works has François Hollande been doing to support his lifestyle, family, kids?

- In the article there is absolutely no mention how he has been productive in his life. darnoconrad (talk) 05:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes there is. Read more carefully. Mezigue (talk) 09:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I understand his point, and in fact I doubt many French would know what he did outside of "career politician" (but most French don't care, as career politicians are very common). So the answer is councillor in the Court of Audit, meaning a high level public servant. He also taught economics and worked as a lawyer, and that doesn't seem to be in the article. Aesma (talk) 23:14, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Also, one should mention that he assumed minor positions in François Mitterrand's first term (1981-1988), which probably earned some money. Indeed, after Mitterrand's reelection, he taught economy at Sciences Po Paris, and was a PM for five years. He only worked for a few months as a lawyer, during the period when he was a magistrate at the Court of Audit. From 1992 on, he occupied major positions in the Socialist Party (notably, he was head of the PS from 1997 to 2008) - I have no idea whether or not this is paid, but my guess would be that it is. All this info is on the French WP, right now I don't have the time to translate and find english-speaking sources. Manutaust (talk) 12:12, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

councillor in the Court of Audit

This needs clarification. "Councillor" has variant meanings in different Englishes. I wonder if it means counsel?

To my understanding he was a magistrate at the CoA, though I can't really be more precise (well, magistrate is still more precise than councillor).Manutaust (talk) 18:20, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

potential addition, maybe in Hollande#Policies?

  • Change in Paris May Better Fit U.S. Economic Positions by ANNIE LOWREY, published: May 7, 2012; into sentence excerpt ...

    With the victory of the Socialist candidate, François Hollande, in the French presidential election, the White House has lost one of its closest allies on the Continent, but perhaps gained one with economic policy beliefs more closely aligned with its own.

97.87.29.188 (talk) 22:56, 9 May 2012 (UTC) 


Too biased & unreliable of a source. It would be like quoting Fox News on George W. Bush.

It is funny how it shows the close resemblance in Obama's policies & a Nationalist Socialist's policies. lol SpankyFC (talk) 00:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

(French speaker) Mentionning the middle names in bold is misleading

Hello,

I am French, and I saw that the middle names (François **Gérard Georges Nicolas** Hollande) of the French president were mentionned in bold. I know it is common for the anglophone world but I truly think it is misleading and confusing (taking into account that the former president was "Nicolas" Sarkozy): it is never used in the news and, as a French, I had never heard them (there are not even mentionned on the French article)

Would it be possible, if they have to be mentionned, to precise that there are his middle name? Or undo the bold?

Looking forward hearing your opinion on the issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.159.91.102 (talk) 10:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Of course there are his middle names. What else might they be? I don't see how confusion is possible. Mezigue (talk) 10:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Religion

It seems to me that the sources about his religion aren't reliable at all. This information may be true but comes from uncanny websites... I'm going to remove the first source because the page is clearly antisemitic, I don't know what to do with the others. Any idea ? Does this piece of information really matter ? Tessa piccolina (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

It strikes me that the Guardian has got the story of his ancestors completely wrong. They must have been Catholics who fled from Calvinist Holland. There was no persecution of Calvinists n Holland, but there was in France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.96.118 (talk) 12:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

He is a self-identified agnostic, like the article states, from a reliable source.85.243.23.205 (talk) 21:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I have never heard such a thing, per what source is he a self-described "agnostic?" I too have heard his mother was Jewish, which makes him Jewish. It makes complete sense to me that should be stated (even if he does indeed describe himself as "agnostic" per se.) It is also relevant in my opinion, as he is particularly noted for criticisim of anti-semetic situations. He stripped John Galliano of his Honour award over the anti-semetic fiasco last year, that isn't the work of an agnostic to me. Someone needs to find relevant sourcing. Solidzz (talk) 20:26, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Neither his mother nor his father were Jewish in the slighest. Nor does he have any Swiss Calvinist ancestry that I can see. His genealogy can be viewed here and here. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 15:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Why does this article not mention...

that his mother was Jewish?

and according to Judaism he is Jewish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.215.49 (talk) 08:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Because it isn't so. Mezigue (talk) 15:37, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Olympic discussion deleted

The article in the Telegraph about Hollande vs Cameron in Olympic Games is a complete bullshit and even after reading three times, I did not understand the whole topic. It seems the guy who wrote it was a bit wrong in his mind (or very upset with the French). I deleted it, there is nothing useful or relevant with Hollande biography or political life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.93.165.196 (talk) 19:26, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

alma mater

Why does the infobox use the obscurely translated terms

  • School of High Commercial Studies, Paris
  • Institute of Political Studies, Paris
  • National School of Administration

which nobody uses instead of the habitual and formal names of those schools? signed:Donan Raven (talk) 18:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

done. signed:Donan Raven (talk) 09:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Where is the section on his ongoing presidency?

Currently this page features a section devoted to this policies, but no section on his actual presidency, what he has achieved and what he has done. Many new activities should be discussed, including how the implementation of the millionaire tax worked out (and its subsequent ruling as unconstitutional by the French court), and how initiation of the campaign in Mali. This section should be added asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.164.112.167 (talk) 23:24, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Not relevant

<<The surname "Hollande" is "believed to come from Calvinist ancestors who escaped the Netherlands in the 16th century and took the name of their old country.">> The article of the Guardian probably cites the article by Mme Elkaïm without controlling the information. Mme Elkaïm does not seem to have any idea about the European wars of religion. Protestantism developped much more in the North of the Netherlands (including Holland), than in the south (including Flanders). I wonder why a a calvinist family from the north of the former Netherlands (Holland), where protestantism was already the main religion, would have emigrated to the more catholic Artois (the south of the former Netherlands : now in France). The ancester of F. Hollande, according to this article, settled in Arras a very catholic city, that remained faithful to the king of Spain, where the Union of Arras was signed up in 1579. It does not make sense. And then, they would have converted to catholicism. What a logic ! First they left a country (Holland) where protestantism was the main religion, because they wanted to stay protestant (if I understand the article), to a more catholic one. I suppose they hoped to be slaughtered, and finally, despite the fact they left their native country for religious reasons (according to this article), they would have converted to catholicism...Concerning the history of the Netherlands, the northern countries (Seven Provinces, including Holland) made secession from the southern countries (the Ten Provinces, with Flanders) in 1581, precisely because protestantism was the dominating religion in the north and catholicism in the south. These journalists, I guess, confuse different things. After the suppression of the edict of Nantes in the 17th century, about 50 000 French calvinists (Huguenots) flew to the Seven Provinces. That is exactly the opposite ! More probably Hollande is the frenchification of the Flemish nickname Holland (or Yiddish Hollander ?), that is widespread surname in the French Flander (today département Nord and département Pas-de-Calais), just check this Holland [2] and Hollande [3] The fact there are only recorded in the 16th century is not surprising : that is the same thing for almost all the surnames in France. The name Holland(e) probably existed there, in the north of France, in the Middle Ages and means somebody who travelled to Holland, or who used to trade with it or who is from Holland.Nortmannus (talk) 16:54, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

  • While all that may be the case, numerous important reliable sources report the information about his Dutch ancestors, and I've found nothing in a reliable source to the contrary. It's certainly not irrelevant. As to its accuracy, we're now giving the information as an exact cited quotation, and I think this is the correct way to handle it under the teachings of WP:V. If another reliable source exists that questions the information, we could include that as well.--Arxiloxos (talk) 17:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
What do you call a reliable source ? Something totally contradictory and against the facts stated by the historians and all logical arguments (for me clearly stupid) ? Such sources you call relevant, are certainly not those from historians and I would like to see Hollande's genealogical table or pedigree that really shows a real connection between F. Hollande and the Netherlands. A journalist citing a journalist citing another journalist Serge Raffy mentioning vague genealogists is not a reliable source for me, because I do not see any involvment of serious historians. Th oldest trustable record of Hollande's ancester dates back the beginning of the XVIIth century and nothing shows a connection with the Netherlands. We do not even know where the first well identified ancester Bon Hollande was born, but we can suppose he was born in Artois and his wife Marie Lemaire too.
Bon HOLLANDE (± 1617-????)
x Marie LEMAIRE (± 1617-????)
│
├─> Marie Catherine HOLLANDE (± 1625-????)
│   x ? COQUEL
│
└─> Jean HOLLANDE (± 1647 à Vis-en-Artois – ????), laboureur
    x (± 1676) Marie Madeleine PETIT (vers 1650-????)
    │
    ├─> Marie Françoise HOLLANDE (± 1677 à Rémy – before 1715 at Lécluse)
    │   x (01/07/1702) Antoine François DUBOIS (± 1677 à Lécluse – 11/07/1761 at Lécluse), censier lieutenant de Lécluse, mayeur
    │
    └─> Jean HOLLANDE (± 1690 at Rémy – ± 1730 at Rémy), maréchal-ferrant, laboureur, censier
        x (± 1716 at Rémy) Marie Rose COUPPÉ30 (1708 at Rémy – 1753)

The legend of a protestant ancester seems to be the invention of Serge Raffy, journalist, scriptwriter (= inventor of stories) and not historian at all. Nortmannus (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Where is the section on his ongoing presidency?

Currently this page features a section devoted to this policies, but no section on his actual presidency, what he has achieved and what he has done. Many new activities should be discussed, including how the implementation of the millionaire tax worked out (and its subsequent ruling as unconstitutional by the French court), and how initiation of the campaign in Mali. This section should be added asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.164.112.167 (talk) 23:24, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Not relevant

<<The surname "Hollande" is "believed to come from Calvinist ancestors who escaped the Netherlands in the 16th century and took the name of their old country.">> The article of the Guardian probably cites the article by Mme Elkaïm without controlling the information. Mme Elkaïm does not seem to have any idea about the European wars of religion. Protestantism developped much more in the North of the Netherlands (including Holland), than in the south (including Flanders). I wonder why a a calvinist family from the north of the former Netherlands (Holland), where protestantism was already the main religion, would have emigrated to the more catholic Artois (the south of the former Netherlands : now in France). The ancester of F. Hollande, according to this article, settled in Arras a very catholic city, that remained faithful to the king of Spain, where the Union of Arras was signed up in 1579. It does not make sense. And then, they would have converted to catholicism. What a logic ! First they left a country (Holland) where protestantism was the main religion, because they wanted to stay protestant (if I understand the article), to a more catholic one. I suppose they hoped to be slaughtered, and finally, despite the fact they left their native country for religious reasons (according to this article), they would have converted to catholicism...Concerning the history of the Netherlands, the northern countries (Seven Provinces, including Holland) made secession from the southern countries (the Ten Provinces, with Flanders) in 1581, precisely because protestantism was the dominating religion in the north and catholicism in the south. These journalists, I guess, confuse different things. After the suppression of the edict of Nantes in the 17th century, about 50 000 French calvinists (Huguenots) flew to the Seven Provinces. That is exactly the opposite ! More probably Hollande is the frenchification of the Flemish nickname Holland (or Yiddish Hollander ?), that is widespread surname in the French Flander (today département Nord and département Pas-de-Calais), just check this Holland [4] and Hollande [5] The fact there are only recorded in the 16th century is not surprising : that is the same thing for almost all the surnames in France. The name Holland(e) probably existed there, in the north of France, in the Middle Ages and means somebody who travelled to Holland, or who used to trade with it or who is from Holland.Nortmannus (talk) 16:54, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

  • While all that may be the case, numerous important reliable sources report the information about his Dutch ancestors, and I've found nothing in a reliable source to the contrary. It's certainly not irrelevant. As to its accuracy, we're now giving the information as an exact cited quotation, and I think this is the correct way to handle it under the teachings of WP:V. If another reliable source exists that questions the information, we could include that as well.--Arxiloxos (talk) 17:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
What do you call a reliable source ? Something totally contradictory and against the facts stated by the historians and all logical arguments (for me clearly stupid) ? Such sources you call relevant, are certainly not those from historians and I would like to see Hollande's genealogical table or pedigree that really shows a real connection between F. Hollande and the Netherlands. A journalist citing a journalist citing another journalist Serge Raffy mentioning vague genealogists is not a reliable source for me, because I do not see any involvment of serious historians. Th oldest trustable record of Hollande's ancester dates back the beginning of the XVIIth century and nothing shows a connection with the Netherlands. We do not even know where the first well identified ancester Bon Hollande was born, but we can suppose he was born in Artois and his wife Marie Lemaire too.
Bon HOLLANDE (± 1617-????)
x Marie LEMAIRE (± 1617-????)
│
├─> Marie Catherine HOLLANDE (± 1625-????)
│   x ? COQUEL
│
└─> Jean HOLLANDE (± 1647 à Vis-en-Artois – ????), laboureur
    x (± 1676) Marie Madeleine PETIT (vers 1650-????)
    │
    ├─> Marie Françoise HOLLANDE (± 1677 à Rémy – before 1715 at Lécluse)
    │   x (01/07/1702) Antoine François DUBOIS (± 1677 à Lécluse – 11/07/1761 at Lécluse), censier lieutenant de Lécluse, mayeur
    │
    └─> Jean HOLLANDE (± 1690 at Rémy – ± 1730 at Rémy), maréchal-ferrant, laboureur, censier
        x (± 1716 at Rémy) Marie Rose COUPPÉ30 (1708 at Rémy – 1753)

The legend of a protestant ancester seems to be the invention of Serge Raffy, journalist, scriptwriter (= inventor of stories) and not historian at all. Nortmannus (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Rumours of Jewish ancestry? Masonic membership?

I found this quote from an Israeli newspaper;

"Royal's main presumed Jewish connection is Francois Hollande, the secretary general of the French Socialist Party, who is her partner (they are not married) and the father of their four children. But Hollande has no community ties and keeps his presumed Jewish origins so secret that Jewish friends of the couple say he always evades questions on the subject." - The Jerusalem Report, 2 April 2007.

Now, I don't want to hear any patronising Masonic/American entry-level nonsense pertaining to this question; ie - "what does his ancestors religion have to do with anything?". There are many rumours on the internet that Hollande somehow has a Jewish ancestral connection, which should be noted in the article if true.

You can see hints of it in the shape of his face and some of his political sentiments, which a Catholic Frenchman would generally not associate with or make. It is not as obvious as Sarkozy or a Strauss-Khan, but there is something there and many people are talking about it. What is the definitive answer on this? The ancestry section makes no mention. I propose adding in a reference made to The Jerusalem Report. He has also spoken before the Grand Orient de France, an interesting fact which could be mentioned in the article. Is he a member? Matter of the Fact (talk) 15:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

  • This has been discussed and dismissed before. The "many rumors on the internet" are at highly questionable websites and without verifiable references to reliable sources there's no basis for any such edit. We certainly will not make an edit about Hollande based on an editor's perception of "the shape of his face". --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
  • "Now, I don't want to hear any patronising Masonic/American entry-level..." Well most of us don't want to hear from the sort of people who are obsessed with spotting Jewish ancestry on someone's face. I guess in life, you don't always get what you want. Mezigue (talk) 08:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Links

>> France - Africa's policeman?>> France: Out of Africa and back? >> Anti-Hollande protesters clash with police(Lihaas (talk) 16:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)).

Hollande's Prime Minister

I disagree with Fillon's inclusion in the infobox. First, it is misleading as it gives the impression that Hollande and Fillon effectively worked together. Second, according to these 3 articles (in French, sorry), Fillon handed his resignation to Sarkozy on Mai 10th, 2012, with he and his government merely in charge of "dealing with the current affairs" until the 15th. What do you think? AurélieM 12:34, 1 January 2014 (UTC) - P.S. Happy New Year!

Well, me again. I just realized it was a very recent edit that wasn't discussed beforehand. I guess I'll just revert it then. Never mind. AurélieM 21:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Translation of French?

The following presently appears in the Personal life section:

A voter by the name of Xavier Kemlin in early 2013 tried to question in court Trierweiler's status, and accused her of "recel de détournement de fonds".[1][2] In late November 2013, the suit was deemed "non-classe" by judge Roger le Loire.[3]

"Non-classe" is translated by Google Translate as simply "non-class", which I take to be a legal term, possibly meaning that Kemlin did not have legal standing to bring the question before the court(?). In any case the meaning can probably be guessed at well enough for a reader to at least conclude that the suit did not proceed.

But "Valérie Trierweiler accusée de recel de détournement de fonds" definitely requires a translation. Google renders this as "Valérie Trierweiler accused of concealing embezzlement", which may be a fair translation - or it may not be; Google Translate is not very reliable. Can any French speakers help with this? Milkunderwood (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

In the meantime, nearly all of this Personal life section has since been removed, including the untranslated French. Milkunderwood (talk) 01:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

What you preferr?

François Hollande
Hollande in 2013.
François Hollande
Hollande in 2012.

[2 images posted unsigned 17:20, 25 February 2014‎ by EeuHP (talk)]

  • Unquestionably the lower 2012 (Journées de Nantes 2012).jpg, which is currently used in the article, is the better photograph. Please do not change it. Milkunderwood (talk) 02:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Agreed – the 2012 photo is clearly superior, technically and aesthetically. I'm not sure why now there's a different image (not shown here) placed in the infobox, but it's not an improvement. SteveStrummer (talk) 19:48, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Could someone discuss the "Hollande" name?

As I recall, it had to do with ancestry in part of what is now the Netherlands. It is explained elsewhere on Wikipedia that "Holland" refers to only part of the Netherlands and really should NOT be used for the whole of that country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.47 (talk) 17:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hollande shouldn't but is often used for the whole country. French says more often "La Hollande" than "Les Pays Bas", it's not strictly correct, but it's a fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:F8FB:F935:7497:9F39 (talk) 01:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Lede

Cf. the lede of this article to that of Barack Obama's:

"François Gérard Georges Nicolas Hollande (French pronunciation: ​[fʁɑ̃swa ɔlɑ̃d]; born 12 August 1954) is a French politician who has been the President of France since 2012."

"Barack Hussein Obama II (US Listeni/bəˈrɑːk huːˈseɪn ɵˈbɑːmə/; born August 4, 1961) is the 44th and current President of the United States..."

Shouldn't there be some sort of consistency in how we describe heads-of-state in their articles? I feel like either this article should begin with "...is the President of France..." or Obama's should begin with "...is an American politician who has been President of the United States since 2009..."

Thoughts?

Waidawut (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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Expand lead

The lead should be expanded to cover the main policies and events of his presidency, as one can see in the leads for other modern figures like Cameron and Obama. Of course, this should be with the greatest of care to retain neutrality and also not be recentist. '''tAD''' (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the suggestion. Xin Deui (talk) 18:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
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  1. ^ News360x: "Valérie Trierweiler accusée de recel de détournement de fonds" 30 Jul 2013
  2. ^ contrepoints.org: "Xavier Kemlin : Je vise la destitution de François Hollande" 29 Apr 2013
  3. ^ valeursactuelles.com: "La plainte de Xavier Kemlin classée sans suite" 26 Nov 2013
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