Talk:Fifth (unit)

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I'm just noticing in Taiwan that the last few bottles of whiskey and brandy I've bought are 700ml. I am not sure if this is new here, or ... ? 59.115.204.3 (talk) 09:37, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the bottle shown in not actually a FIFTH since it is 750ml and not 757ml (or equivalent).Symulation (talk) 22:58, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I actually HAVE a few decades-old "fifths" in my basement,not sure I can provide a photo for more accurate illustration...12.144.5.2 (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial quart[edit]

A fifth was at one time called a "commercial quart", not a "short quart." I'm taking out the reference to "quart" because that term is long out of use and just confuses things. Also the cited sources do not support "was a common legal threshold for the difference between selling by the drink and selling by the bottle or at wholesale", that part is WP:OR. But I'm going to leave it in for now. Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:57, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Bottle size[edit]

Size of Scotch Whisky Bottles[edit]

Para 1 says:

A fifth is a unit of volume formerly used for wine and distilled beverages in the United States, equal to one fifth of a US liquid gallon, 4⁄5 quart, or 25 3⁄5 US fluid ounces (757 ml); it has been superseded by the metric bottle size of 750 mL, sometimes called a metric fifth, which is the standard capacity of wine bottles worldwide and is approximately 1% smaller.
The standard glass bottle industry came into being in the 17th century when English businessman George Ravenscroft discovered in 1676 how to produce lead glass on a large scale.^[1]^[2]The invention of the automatic glass bottle blowing machine in 1880 industrialized the process of making bottles.^[3]
The standard diameter of glass bottles for alcohol is 7.5-8.0 cm. ^[4]Glass blowers in Scotland found they could blow a bottle with a capacity of 26.5-27.0 Imperial fluid ounces(fl oz). This worked out to ~14 fingers in height when laid parallel to the ground/table. Most bottles of that era were thus 26.5-26.75 Imperial fl oz. or 752-760 ml. After metrication, allowing a few ml for spillage/evaporation, each bottle was taken to hold 750 ml of spirit. One finger width was discounted for the neck of the bottle, leaving 13 fingers or 26 drams.
Moitraanak (talk) 17:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://www.bottlestore.com/blog/the-remarkable-history-of-the-glass-bottle-infographic/
^ Toso 2000, p. 102
^ "A History of Glass Bottle and Glass Jar Manufacturing Glass Bottles and Glass Jars eBottles.com - Buy by the Case Wholesale - eBottles.com has Glass bottles and Glass Jars with closures". www.ebottles.com. Retrieved 2017-05-23.
^ https://vigilantinc.com/wine-cellars/wine-bottle-dimensions-chart.php#:~: text=How%20big%20is%20a%20wine,tall%20in%20750%2Dmilliliter%20amounts.

Thanks for the info. The Bottlestore infographic isn't a reliable source, and anyway doesn't say anything about the capacity of glass bottles. What is "Toso2000"? The Ebottles site isn't a reliable source, and again says nothing about bottle capacities. The Vigilant Inc. site again is not a reliable source, and says nothing about the history of bottle capacities, only current bottle sizes. The final comment about a finger width isn't sourced. So I'm afraid there isn't anything we can use there.

It would be great to learn more about the history of bottle sizes in Britain. Can you find sources for it? Thanks! --Macrakis (talk) 21:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.bottlestore.com/blog/the-remarkable-history-of-the-glass-bottle-infographic/

[Toso102-2] Toso 2000, p. 102

[3] "A History of Glass Bottle and Glass Jar Manufacturing Glass Bottles and Glass Jars eBottles.com - Buy by the Case Wholesale - eBottles.com has Glass bottles and Glass Jars with closures". www.ebottles.com. Retrieved 2017-05-23.

[4] ttps://vigilantinc.com/wine-cellars/wine-bottle-dimensions-chart.php#:~: text=How%20big%20is%20a%20wine,tall%20in%20750%2Dmilliliter%20amounts.

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