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Spectrum of eye color

I think Eye_color#Spectrum_of_eye_color section need explanation, or at least image caption. --36.80.244.54 (talk) 07:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Frost's maps are from AD 1500 and were blatantly recreated in current borders

Frost's map represent indigeneous distribution from 500 years ago. His Figure 4 says skin-color depigmentation in Eurasia approximately 500 BP (after Brace, 1973, p. 344, reprinted with permission from Wiley). His maps can't be recreated into current borders. His eye color map is another one from the same publication, it was done in 1965 but noone checked from what age it is. And when some recreated in modern political borders I would remove it until you find out what period does it represent because it is misleading. Bozdugan (talk) 05:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I cannot find that information in the maps but the access to full article requires registration. If the borders are seen as a problem, please edit the map accordingly, don`t remove it. If you feel that the text needs focusing, please add it with a source. I think we can agree that the another map is really low quality. Velivieras (talk) 12:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I reverted to the status quo. It is of better quality simply because it lacks the borders. But I simply suggest to remove all maps since you don't even try to register to find out what age does it represent. It is ridiculous to ask me to do your job to edit your map to remove the modern borders and is ridiculous to push it again in this case. I already shown Frost's source that doesn't say when is the Eye Color distrubition about, but that the Skin Color distribution is about the 15th century. And it must be stated that the author maps pigmentation in the 15th century which I added with a source saying it in Figure 4, to be clear once again. Bozdugan (talk) 00:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2021

Pam2021 (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Under the same environmental conditions, there may be disagreement over the color of an object between two different people, and the factor that causes this disagreement is pigments called Melanin, which are the main factors in determining eye color. The higher the amount of these pigments in the Iris and the denser their texture, the darker the color of a person's eyes; The same melanin concentration also depends on many factors such as hereditary, environmental, and other factors. The most important role of eye melanins is to protect the eyes from the sun's harmful rays. People with bright eyes (honey, blue, or green) have fewer sunscreens than other people. Therefore, they should protect their eyes from the sun more than other people.

The human eye consists of two types of light and color receptors in the Retina. Cylindrical cells are the photoreceptors of the eye that have a black and white vision and, depending on the amount of light received from the environment, determine the amount of darkness and brightness of objects. The number of cylindrical cells is more than the number of color receptors and reaches about 120 million; Cone cells, which are smaller in number than light receptors, have color vision and are divided into three distinct categories, each of which recognizes one of the colors blue, red, and green, allowing the individual to distinguish colors.

When a person is exposed to sunlight, the rays of sunlight hit a part of the back of the eye called the Yellow spot. The cylindrical cells receive these rays, make a neural message from them, and send them to the occipital region of the brain, where they are examined and answered if necessary. At this time, a large amount of ultraviolet light is received by the eye and destroys parts of the light receptors. Because people with bright eyes have less melanin in their eyes than people with dark eyes, the lack of this protective factor means that the light receptors in their eyes are more damaged and destroyed than in other people. This difference in the number of light receptors in the eyes of different people causes a difference in the amount of light they receive from the environment; For this reason, people with bright eyes see colors a little darker than others; But this amount is so small that it is not very visible in everyday life and only appears as a slight difference of opinion between people with different eye colors.

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2021 (2)

Pam2021 (talk) 09:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Peace be upon you I have an article on the cause of differences in vision in different eye colors, which is the result of seven months of field research and my library, and it contains valuable and significant material, and it is on my practice page, which I would like to include in the article. Add eye color I would be very grateful if you could include it in this article.

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish User is not asking to change protection level or additional user rights. he's asking to include the text in the article. are you rejecting all edit requests like this? Jeeputer (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Jeeputer, pretty much any request that doesn't provide the exact edit to be made will get closed. Same with the request above, there is no indication where that text should be in the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish Yes but not with an automated misleading answer. the answer to second request could be simply "in which section?". anyways, a level 3 heading under Changes in eye color section would be fine. same material was added to corresponding article on fawiki and i checked the Persian sources. they're reliable enough. thanks. Jeeputer (talk) 17:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• Hi, please add the text mentioned in the previous edit request to a level 3 heading named "Differences in vision" under Changes in eye color section. For training purposes i don't want to add it myself and just helping user Pam2021 to get their content added. As i said above, reliability of sources is already verified. Thanks. —Jeeputer (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Run n Fly (talk) 15:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Run n Fly Is it normal here to reject edit requests like this? I'm sorry but why do you think a medical textbook published by Shahid Beheshti University of Medical Sciences is unreliable? Jeeputer (talk) 20:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jeeputer:, Please go through Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and WP:MEDBOOK. As WP:MEDBOOK says However, books published by university presses or the National Academy of Sciences tend to be well-researched and useful for most purposes. For your claims if it is satisfied, you are welcome to re-request. Thank you. Run n Fly (talk) 14:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021

Pam2021 (talk) 06:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Peace be upon you I have an article on the cause of differences in vision in different eye colors, which is the result of seven months of field research and my library, and it contains valuable and significant material, and it is on my practice page, which I would like to include in the article. Add eye color I would be very grateful if you could include it in this article.

 Not done: as we never include original research in our articles, only information already published in WP:reliable sources with a reputation for fact-checking - Arjayay (talk) 12:02, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021 (2)

Pam2021 (talk) 08:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

to a level 3 heading named "Differences in vision" under Changes in eye color section.thank you

 Not done: as we never include original research in our articles, only information already published in WP:reliable sources with a reputation for fact-checking - Arjayay (talk) 12:02, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021 (3)

Pam2021 (talk) 08:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Peace be upon you. I have an article on the cause of differences in vision in different eye colors, which is the result of seven months of field research and my library, and it contains valuable and significant material, and it is on my practice. please add the text mentioned in the previous edit request to a level 3 heading named "Differences in vision" under Changes in eye color section. thank you.

 Not done: as we never include original research in our articles, only information already published in WP:reliable sources with a reputation for fact-checking - Arjayay (talk) 12:03, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2021

Pam2021 (talk) 18:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Peace be upon you. I have an article on the cause of differences in vision in different eye colors, which is the result of seven months of field research and my library, and it contains valuable and significant material, and it is on my practice. please add the text mentioned in the previous edit request to a level 3 heading named "Differences in vision" under Changes in eye color section. thank you.

 Not done: Please stop forum shopping, repeatedly placing the same exact request without trying to comply with the standards for which it is being denied is unhelpful and disruptive. Provide reliable sources for your update, listed in the format of "please change X to Y", and please do not try to promote your own research here.  A S U K I T E  22:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

My sources had problems and the sources were invalid, so this week I tried to find the same content in the valid sources and correct the sources. I do not understand why my request was rejected again. Pam2021 (talk) 05:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Asukite can you tell me why my request for editing was rejected this time? because i modified all the sources. Pam2021 (talk) 06:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

@Pam2021:, I can't entirely speak for the other editors, but a couple of reasons it was declined before is that the research your are looking to add is backed up by sources which do not appear to have a reputation for being reliable and an authority on the topic. Further info can be found at the guidelines for reliable sources. My reason for declining you was primarily because the edit request has been placed multiple times in a row, and I did not see the sources at first (I did not notice that they were present higher up on the page). From a look at the sources as they are listed presently, I can't say for certain whether or not they are acceptable personally as I can't read them. Of those sources, I can at least say:

• Tebyan.net appears to be a general-purpose site and not specifically an authority on the subject. Based on google translate I can say that they may be making references to research, but it would be more helpful to cite the research itself, especially if it is in a peer-reviewed journal.
• Britannica is an encyclopedia and a tertiary source, which can be helpful, however it is not suitable on its own, but rather a good starting point to find citations that we can use
• edomps.sbmu.ac.ir appears to be a university site, and the PDF there may potentially be a valid source if it is considered reliable, but I cannot say for certain myself. An editor who is fluent in Persian and understands the reputation of the university and researchers / department in question may need to weigh in on that one
• binaii.com is the practice of a single doctor and may not be suitable as it is not a reputable, published source

Also, part of the reason this is being declined is because your request made it sound like this is your research, in which case it will be subjected to higher standards of review because it is potentially a conflict of interest. If you feel that the request is still valid, feel free to re-submit it by changing {{edit semi-protected|Eye color|answered=yes}} to {{edit semi-protected|Eye color|answered=no}} in the original request, rather than reposting it again, that way the editors who review it can find the sources more easily. Thank you, hope this helps. A S U K I T E  15:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Citations needed

This page contains inaccurate information. The “Yellow Spot” in the section titled “changes in eye color” does not exist. If someone says otherwise please link the citation. I wanted to insert “citation needed” however this poorly written page is protected. Agrenell15 (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2021

I want to edit or to get edited that to correct you passage, Elizabeth Taylor did not actually have purple eyes. Your article has false advertisement. She had a very beautiful blue color. Many people confuse it with purple due to the lighting. However, if you think about it, she had such a deep blue and back then sometimes when you would take a picture it would make your eyes glow red, or have a red hint. In Elizabeth's case when the red hit her eyes, it mixed with the blue making her eyes then appear like they were a very dark purple. However, there is such thing as having purple eyes. It is a disease though and very uncommon. While Elizabeth Taylor did have very stunning eyes, it can be very easily confused with purple. I am not asking you to let me edit or to even right this. I am just trying to open your eyes to the logistics of this very untrue story. However, if you do decided to remove it please do not put this in, as it was only used to convince you to remove the part about Elizabeth having purple eyes. I hope you consider this writing, as it has taken me a good deal of time to right this. I hope this finds you well and God blesses the rest of your day. God bless you Iamahugesoccerfan (talk)

 Already done That is essentially what the article already says. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Although the deep blue eyes of some people such as Elizabeth Taylor can appear violet at certain times, "true" violet-colored eyes occur only due to albinism. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Scientifically dubious

In the section Hazel, this sentence appears:

"Although hazel mostly consists of brown and green, the dominant color in the eye can either be brown/gold or green.

It is 100% unclear what "the dominant color in the eye" means here.

Especially because there are no green pigments in human eyes.

I hope someone knowledgeable about this subject can fix this. 2601:200:C000:1A0:C016:D334:56A8:4CA5 (talk) 15:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Misleading statistics

In the Green subsection most statistics include both blue and green eyes on them and there is one that also includes grey-eyed people, which doesn't make much sense, because the incidence of green eyes is much lower than blue eye color, even in Nordic countries and most people when looking at these statistics will assume that the percentage is fairly proportional, when in fact it isn't. There was a percentage (which I substituted) saying that 80% percentage of Icelanders have both blue and green eyes, but I was able to find a source stating that 80% of men and 68-70% of women have blue eyes and by contrast only around 8-10% of men and 18-21% of women have green colored eyes in Iceland.

So for the reasons mentioned above, it's misleading to use statistics that aggregate both blue and green eyes in the Green subsection.

I took the initiative and removed/corrected all of those statistics, apart from the last one which I was not able to find any substitutable source. SadAttorney613 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Spelling

Inconsistent spelling of “grey or gray”, are we to use queen’s English or bastardized English. 150.143.179.27 (talk) 10:09, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Both forms are acceptable in both types of English, but I suppose we should us one consistently in this article. The article title is a bit of a clue as to what variety is used here.... Johnbod (talk) 15:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Cheers Johnbod for editing the spelling of the colour “grey” to be consistently wrong.

Hazel Eyes

The hazel eye section is misleading and ambiguous. Hazel eyes aren't a real eye colour and are very much open for interpretation. The colour hazel itself refers to the light golden brown of a hazel nut shell which was originally how hazel eyes were identified however it's not as common in modern times to refer to light/golden brown eyes as hazel as they would just be deemed brown so often people refer to multi coloured eyes with central heterochromia ei blue, grey or green eyes with brown around the pupil as hazel as they're not a solid easily identifiable colour and the brown around the pupil resembles that of the colour hazel. This being said the true colour of the eye is the outer colour (blue, grey or green) not the brown/golden central heterochromia around the pupil, which is a common condition amongst light eyed populations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:6E00:295:A320:359B:C31B:8FDB:DF3A (talk) 08:40, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Photo race bias: Caucasian eyes

As far as I can tell, of the 34 photos of human eyes in this story, all are Caucasian except one photo of an east asian eye (repeated twice). As the article's text makes clear, it's not correct to assume that everyone except Caucasians has brown eyes. For instance, just googling "North African blue eyes" generates many striking photos, e.g. https://africageographic.com/stories/the-boy-with-the-sapphire-eyes/ It would be great if this article were more inclusive.

Replying: North Africans are also considered caucasian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:6E00:295:A320:359B:C31B:8FDB:DF3A (talk) 08:52, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2022

The Introduction of this article states that eye color can be affected by up to 15 genes, but later in the article, it says that it can be affected by up to 16. I would like this to change to match 16, which I believe to be the correct number. WednesdayFireball (talk) 05:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Done, thank you for pointing this out. --Mvqr (talk) 09:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Are these my eyes? Where did the publisher get that photo?

Are these my eyes? Where did the publisher get that photo? 49.237.42.31 (talk) 14:59, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Vladimir Putin

He has very sticking green eyes. Why isn't this discussed in any fashion on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valgrus Thunderaxe (talk • contribs) 09:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC) '

Vlad has blue eyes Akmal94 (talk) 05:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Hazel Eyes

The hazel eye section is very vague and inaccurate. It says hazel eyes are basically any combination of colors with brown, gold and green being the main components which doesn't really define what hazel actually is. It then goes onto say that hazel eyes are 'sometimes' referred to as being synonymous with the color of a hazelnut when that is the accurate primary definition of 'hazel' eyes, eyes that are the color hazel resembling the golden brown color of a hazelnut. The hazel section needs to be properly addressed and edited to say that hazel eyes are eyes resembling the color 'hazel' which is the color of a hazelnut. Eyes that are the golden brown color of a hazelnut can be a combination of light brown, golds and greens when observed at close range. It can then go onto say that the term hazel can also be used ambiguously to refer to eyes that aren't a solid singular color, often when there's central heterochromia present. 2405:6E00:289:B4FC:BD72:E508:58C1:BE64 (talk) 09:51, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

eye color vs. color vision.

article intersperses discussion of eye color with color vision, causing confusion. 174.65.170.163 (talk) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@174.65.170.163 "Under the same environmental conditions, there may be disagreement over the color of an object between two different people". Also the following paragraph is all about color vision, not eye color. 174.65.170.163 (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Why are a bunch of animal examples attached to blue eyes?

There are no animal examples attached to other eye colors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.2.20 (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

there no way 8-10% of world population has blue eyes

world population is over 8,000,000,000

europe population is only 750,000,000 or 9.3% of world population and also western europe has at least 50 million non-europeans

even most indigenous europeans have brown eyes

in reality only about 1-3% of world population has blue eyes Ostrich2Emperor (talk) 15:16, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

There's a common myth all over the internet that 8%-10% of people internationally have blue or gray eyes. 3% have 'true' gray eyes. 1% have 'true' violet eyes. 2% have green eyes. 5% have amber eyes. 5% have hazel eyes and the rest of the world have typical brown/dark brown. Even though many articles online have relayed these stats, this information on the internet is incredibly inaccurate as not only do the percentages not make much sense but it's also impossible to know exactly what percentage of the world has which eye colors.

Countries in North Africa, Middle East and Central Asia can have anywhere between 1%-20% of light eyes amongst their population depending on the country and i'm sure these populations aren't being taken into account when determining worldwide percentages of violet, blue, gray, green, amber, hazel, typical brown or dark brown eyes.

Eye colors like gray, green, amber and hazel are also difficult to determine as they fall in the middle of the spectrum in between deep blue and dark brown eyes so up close gray eyes can be just a light/pale blue. Hazel eyes up close can be green eyes with brown central heterochromia which would make them technically green eyes as the true color is always the outer color and true hazel eyes are just a light golden brown, not green eyes with central heterochromia. green eyes up close can be blue eyes with brown central heterochromia making their true color actually blue. The very specific amount of pigment needed to create amber eyes which are the lightest possible shade of brown would make them much rarer than green eyes in general, definitely not 5% of the world's population.

The origin of these made up international percentages of light eyes which have circulated all over the internet are most likely the result of a North American theory. There are definitely no reliable sources which can prove these percentages. 203.49.228.129 (talk) 07:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Europe is not the only place with a high amount of diversity. Hastengeims (talk) 06:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Anyway, reliable sources say that, the number between 8 and 10 is correct, it may even be more according to some marginal sources. Hastengeims (talk) 06:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Delete "Caucasian," substitute "of European descent."

Caucasian means "from the region surrounding the Caucasus Mountains." The relevant text is actually referring to "white" individuals, i.e. people of European descent. The phenomenon by which "Caucasian" morphed into "white" is based in nineteenth-century thought that privileged the Caucasian as "special" or "exemplary" whites. There is no reason to use the term now as a formal why to refer to whites. By Wikipedia's own sourcing, the term is "an obsolete category for race."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Why one earth can't I edit the text for eye color? Is it a controversial subject? 2600:1700:5B2C:A090:3111:682E:5CD6:AF1 (talk) 21:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Those violet impressive eyes that God gifted to Türkmen race , Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is one of the best example of these fascinating and wonderful eyes in known history. 88.230.9.99 (talk) 08:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)