Talk:Ethiopia/Archive 7

April 2022

Most of these edits are not well written, to the point it's hard to tell what some sentences are trying to say. Also, some information (some of which was necessary to understand the following sentences) has been excised. I don't see how this is an improvement over what was there before.--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:46, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Agree hard to read...I have tagged the article see if it can be fixed if not we could just revert.Moxy- 13:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cuchullain and Moxy: Which parts of paragraphs do you want to fix grammar? Incrementing history from A to Z is constructing lengthy lede passage that is uncomfortable for reading instead of shortening basic information from section. The Supermind (talk) 13:16, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

There are too many passages with errors to list off here. As one example, "Ethiopia has a long history, tracing to first millennium BC when Sabeans from South Arabia established colony in northern Ethiopia and Eritrean region" should be something like " Ethiopia has a long history tracing to the first millennium BC when Sabaeans from South Arabia established a colony in northern Ethiopia and Eritrea." However, this passage conflicts with what the article says: "Most modern historians consider this civilization to be a native Ethiopian one, although in earlier times many suggested it was Sabaean-influenced because of the latter's hegemony of the Red Sea." Also, "Other scholars regard Dʿmt as the result of a union of Afroasiatic-speaking cultures of the Cushitic and Semitic branches; namely, local Agaw peoples and Sabaeans from Southern Arabia. However, Ge'ez, the ancient Semitic language of Ethiopia, is thought to have developed independently from the Sabaean language, one of the South Semitic languages." Nothing about a Sabaean "colony" that the current edit claims started Ethiopian history. That's frankly unsalvageable and not an improvement over the previous text: "The Afro-Asiatic speaking people reportedly settled in the Nile Valley during Neolithic age, then dispersing thereafter."--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cuchullain: Right, please correct carefully in significant information without adding more elaborated content such as your previous edit and try to condense it. The Supermind (talk) 14:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Will ask copy editor guild to take a look ."emerged its territory to northern Ethiopia"/????

I have copyedited the lead (for the second time) and have removed the confusing language about the Sabeans that conflicted with what the rest of the article said. EugeneMJ (talk) 22:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Whole article needs help..... seems to be written by someone that English is not their first language. Some sections are not even readable .....think mass revert is the only way readers will get tangible information out of this .Moxy- 22:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Now the lede wholly rewritten. The previous paragraphs greatly affected by grammatical and English errors, and more elaborated. Please do not add additional information and three paragraphs are enough. The Supermind (talk) 17:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

wHAT ?? :::Will ask copy editor guild to take a look ."emerged its territory to northern Ethiopia"/???? Clearly not better.--Moxy- 17:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I copyedited the entire lead for a second time yeseterday. Just one day later, it is all messed up and filled with grammatical errors again. I don't mean to be rude, but The Supermind, your edits don't seem to me to be helpful. EugeneMJ (talk) 23:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@EugeneMJ, Moxy, and Cuchullain: I agreed this lede should be rewritten by native English one. I had saw Ethiopian history spans over thousands millennia, comprises lengthy historical events. It needs a focus to significant contents to insert in the lede with tuneful grammar and readability. For example, the history of

• D'mt and Aksum, pro-D'mt Afroasiatic homeland
  • In Aksum, how Christianity and Islam reached to Ethiopia.
• An event after Aksumite collapse and interval between Aksum and Solomonic period in 1270; there were powerful polities during the Zagwe dynasty, such as Sultanate of Showa, Ifat, Alodia etc.
• Solomonic dynasty and Ethiopian Empire
  • Establishment
  • Imperial expansion in 14th-century
  • The Zemene Mesafint period
  • Tewodros II
  • Scramble for Africa
  • Menelik II conquest
  • Italian occupation (1936–1941), and liberation
• The Derg period (without incrementing any events just say civil war)
• Fall of Derg (1991), mention only Ethiopian People's Democratic Republic Front
• The ethnic federalism era (do not increment the events up to present unless affecting the country, such as the Ethiopian civil conflict (2018–present) and the Tigray War). Just say "political instability" "ethnic conflicts" and "democratic backsliding" because these are products of ethnic federalism era.

You should also reckon how readers simply understand the summarized lede without augmenting further explanation that would occupy much paragraphs into lengthy. Otherwise take only fundamental events other than enlisted above. Thanks The Supermind (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I've now minimized stuffs and rewrite theme with addition of some sources from odd information. What do you suggest it? The Supermind (talk) 21:41, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

"Do not elaborate the lede"

Template in the lede read as: "Please DO NOT enlarge the lede further by adding additional detail to it since it is already too long. Instead, add additional detail to the appropriate sub-section much further below!" means do not elaborate further the lede and instead add with appropriate sub section. This version of Cuchullain indeed has a lot of unreadable stuffs and grammatical incorrect content in the lede that Ue3lman tagged to notice readers for its subtle writing. Make it condense more readable. The Supermind (talk) 16:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

The tag left by Ue3lman followed the string of edits you've been making for the last few weeks. That's what I reverted back to the previous version.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:12, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Correct. Ue3lman (talk) 03:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ue3lman: Right, That's one is the worst writing and I voted to improve it. The Supermind (talk) 05:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

The article lede persistently changing but editors are not respecting MOS:LEDE by incrementing words that is outside of summarized/basic information extracted from the article sections. Deemed grammatical error should be corrected by pointing out the exact location of the passage, not removing entirely contents that deems collateral damage. The template was added by BushelCandle on 15 September 2021 before my full edit three months later. The Supermind (talk) 06:40, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit review

Will be doing a full edit review of recent changes....not only is alot non readable.....but I do not trust the info at large. Edits of this nature saying the Bronze Age is 9000 BC is so off competency may be a question here Wikipedia:Competence is required#What is meant by "Competence is required"?. This may take some time. Do we have a page number for this source? No way it says "Bronze Age is 9000 BC"....you mean late stone age??? Moxy- 20:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Moxy: Why??? Revert without undisclosed consensus and collateral damage. I would show you the reference of mentioning prehistory from Donald N. Levine in 2000, but you revoke the right to edit the page despite I'm improving with new source. Please restore the previous and review it. Current version is disrupted in the lede and too lengthened. The Supermind (talk) 21:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Going to be honest with you.....going to review all your edits here. Anything removed or re-worded will have to be talked about befor restoring. pls follow WP:BRD. Moxy- 21:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

• Look page 27, "...It seems to established that by the beginning of the Late Bronze Age, about 9000 BC." Not invented by editor. I didn't fully understand why the author say 9000 BC Late Bronze Age despite lasting 1600 to 1200 BC? Please review source and add in accurate manner. The Supermind (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh no, shit!!!, I apologize didn't notice conflating Stone with Bronze Age.

Are you reading a translation of the page ?? Have you seen Wikipedia:Competence is required#What is meant by "Competence is required"?. lets ask for help .. @Chipmunkdavis: @Another Believer: @Mason.Jones:Moxy- 21:36, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Please review my edit and sources I used, and I'm contributing for good faith. Thank you for detecting error for typing Bronze Age instead Stone Age, but that's unintentional small mistake. Do not count to retribution please. The Supermind (talk) 05:07, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

There is no need to add even more stone age/bronze age/other ancient period history to this article. It's gargantuan already. Similarly while I agree with removing that period from the lead, I'm not sure stripping all history is necessary. CMD (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Moxy: Where is the discussion? I've not seen in Wikiproject or in the edit request. The Supermind (talk) 15:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Was declined..... way to much to fix...so will have to do it bit by bit.--Moxy- 16:11, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Now I've seen my interesting editing per se (moderate paragraphs) . Please do not revoke by reverting and you can correct it. The Supermind (talk) 11:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2022

There is no country called Somaliland. The countries that are landlocked with Ethiopia is Somalia, Djibouti and Eritrea. Please either fix this error or provide citations to reliable sources, otherwise there will be confusion. 2600:1009:B043:F7F4:2559:2F4E:57E6:7A25 (talk) 04:10, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The article reads as follows: "It shares borders with Eritrea and Djibouti to the north, Somaliland[a]" That [a] says:" A self-declared country, but internationally considered to be part of Somalia. The Somaliland government maintains practical sovereignty.[15]". I can't read the confusion (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland

Somaliland ... is a de facto state. The citations are in the main article. (9, 10, 11) SentientObject (talk) 17:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Truncate the history section?

This is a very long article, so I can understand how hard it is to manage editing. Why don't we abbreviate the history section to a paragraph or two that is a brief overview, and point readers to History_of_Ethiopia for the full story. Maintaining the same details in two different places is tough. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 22:44, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Probably longer than "a paragraph or two" though. SchreiberBike | ⌨  22:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Very sorely needed if you want to have a go, although as SchreiberBike mentions a slightly less ambitious target is probably due. Perhaps 7-10 paragraphs. CMD (talk) 01:02, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't have the subject expertise to do so or else I'd be glad to. I'd still go for a few fewer than 7. Really, just an overview of the various epochs of history, sufficient to name and differentiate the major periods from each other and give a feeling for the scope of it all, rather than trying to force in a lot of facts. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 01:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Rsjaffe: Partially agreed because there are a lot of missing informations in prehistoric times such as during Neolithic Revolution in Ethiopia, just talking about the discoveries of remains only. The rest I think the article sufficiently summarized key points in History of Ethiopia. The Supermind (talk) 17:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2022

Change Hegira to Hijrah as it is the main used one. اخسجہ (talk) 12:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for you contributions! Baggaet (talk) 05:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

"Rough translation" from what?

@Moxy and The Supermind: Here, Moxy added the information that this article is a rough translation from a version in another language. (This surprises me a bit, since the barticle seems to have been around for a very long time. Moxy, are you sure you didn't mean nthat part of the article is a rough translation?)

I would like to know what other language version this could be referring to (and, if wp articles are intended, which ones; and also, if not the whole text is intended, which sections that are concerned). Thanks in advances! JoergenB (talk) 17:16, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@JoergenB: I didn't understand what is "rough translation" per the template. It is not copy edit from other source just written by myself with own word. The Supermind (talk) 17:34, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Not sure why the English here is almost unreadable. My guess is that its writen by someone with low English skills (this can be seen above aswell). Article needs serious help by a copy editor...have asked the guild...but they said it will take some time before they can look. "It may have been generated by a computer or by a translator without dual proficiency". Moxy- 18:07, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe that there is any mystery concerning the source of the bad English. All, including The Supermind agree that that user has deficiencies in their treatment of English grammar. As can be seen on this talk page, The Supermind several times has deplored this, and asked for grammatical improvements by others, and preferrably by native English speakers. On the other hand, at least I generally value the many factual contributions by The Supermind to this article. Therefore, the {{Copyedit}} template is rather adequate.

@The Supermind: Much of the trouble with your English is related to the absence of articles (like a, an and the) in your texts. Now, I cannot read Amharic, and know little about the language; but I've been told by Ethiopians that it does not use articles in order to distinguish determined and undetermined nouns. I know that the same is true for quite a lot of languages, including modern ones like Russian (which you seemingly know at least partially) and Finnish, and ancient ones like Latin. It is not illogical in any way for a language not to have grammatical articles; in fact, one could argue that the use of articles in languages like English or Swedish, in some but not all cases, is less logical. However, the way some languages (like English) have evolved, they do demand articles, and texts without them or with articles in the wrong positions look strange and become hard to read.

However, I find no reason to doubt the explanation by this user about the sources of the text (although a better formulation would have been, e. g., It is not copied from any other source, but just written by myself in my own words). If you do not have any reason to doubt this, @Moxy, then you should remove the {{Translate}} template, as being inappropriate and misleading about the sources of the problem. Or, if you prefer this, I could remove it. Regards, JoergenB (talk) 19:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I take it you mean {{Rough translation}}... sure do what you think is best. Agreee its more of an accessibility problem then a copy paste problem. Moxy- 20:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I stand corrected:-). Done. JoergenB (talk) 20:25, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

@JoergenB: Thanks. Not only for Ethiopia, but also several articles for example Prehistoric Ethiopia and Territorial evolution of Ethiopia are tagged under "rough translation" by Moxy. I don't know what the reason behind of that, but it might be grammatical issues rather than machine led edits. The Supermind (talk) 21:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Just noticed they are by you.....did not tag several bUT 2.... if several have been tagged it's clear many others have the same concern as I ....as per your talk page .......anyway a copy edit can be done before submitting. Moxy- 01:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Collateral damage

@Civil Engineer 3: You deleted all significant contents including main article template without caution. This is not an improvement and is collateral damage. Please restore some elements by checking them in each section. The current is non sense. The Supermind (talk) 06:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Article now legible .....Needs a bit more of a trim and image fix after. Good job Civil Engineer 3}!Moxy- 06:49, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Moxy: It is not civility to erase productive edits (such as sourced contents) owning to grammatical/structural issues. You (Moxy), are labelling my edit habit in all pages I created "rough translation" rather than needing "copy edit". What is your reason behind my editing experience? I want to know your answer. The Supermind (talk) 10:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Need to tlak about what you think is missing. As for tagging not following you but if I did tag a few pages this should be a hint. Moxy- 13:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Moxy: Active editors are now improving the article and sourced content must intact and you're agreed with Civil Engineer 3 action if they bluntly removed from the article. This is not complying with copy edit tag. The Supermind (talk) 05:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

What was removed with incoherent. You are correct a few editors have tried through the year....but to no avail...just reverted. Most have just given up....now an editor that specializes in fixing these problems from The Guild won't be back. Moxy- 05:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Timeline of major political events of Ethiopia

I 100% rely on the timeline of the country's political historical events started strictly in the Ethiopian Empire. The empire expansions under Amda Seyon, Zara Yaqob and eventually Menelik II in Menelik's Expansions contributed to modern formation of Ethiopia. Polities such as Kingdom of Aksum and D'mt had multicentral capitals that covers Eritrea, Djibouti or Sudan. Yet, Ethiopia as state did not formed. I'm agreed the historicity of Ethiopia dates back to D'mt in 980 BC, but not reunified political status that makes up now Ethiopia. The Supermind (talk) 17:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

If you're talking about the infobox, that's not intended to be a timeline of major political events, it's meant to be the event(s) which established sovereignty. CMD (talk) 23:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2022

Requested edit: Removing "was" in the sentence, "Ifat's successor, the Adal Sultanate, was emerged in 1415 with its capital at Zelia, situated in the present-day Somaliland." 197.156.77.89 (talk) 23:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments

Good luck with your GA nomination. Reading through this article is quite difficult because the first one-third is history. Normally I'd say move some to History of Ethiopia but much of the history might be duplicated there. So, if any editor has a handle on what can be cut, maybe that's the answer. WikiProject Countries has some guidelines that might be helpful to follow. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Ethiopia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 07:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi! It looks like you haven't made many edits to this article, but there is very little chance of the article passing a GA review in its current state. I'm quick failing this nomination per the GA Criteria, specifically, 2C and 3B. Specifically, the article contains a lot of uncited materials, and on a skim it isn't focused on telling a well-worded topic defined narrative. There was plenty of places where the article went off to tangents or was not easily read.

Please fix the article up satisfactory before renomming the article. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2023

under HDI for ethiopia it says that it is "175rd" which should be "175th" Davisxp72 (talk) 10:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Thanks. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 15:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2023

Change Ardipithicus to Ardipithecus Joie de Vivre 100 (talk) 17:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done General Ization ^Talk 17:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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History inaccurate?

According to the history, my edit of 17 April 2023 was commented "Constitution does not say how many people speak any language." I did make such an edit, but that edit is not shown in those differences, and several paragraphs that I have never edited are listed in the diffs.  ???? 伟思礼 (talk) 16:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

@伟思礼: I am not sure what you mean, your edit is this one, which appears to be in line with your recollection. CMD (talk) 01:59, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

When I clicked to review the diffs for my edit, what I got were several paragraphs that I had never touched, and neither side contained the text that I had edited.  Your link does show what I was trying to see, but what I selected i the history went to a different listing.  Some kind of glitch, perhaps. 伟思礼 (talk) 14:21, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Removed image spam

This article just had too many pictures add that were sandwiching text and per MOS:SECTIONLOC were badly placed.....that all may cause accessibility problems and fragmented image display for some readers. See Canada or Japan for good examples Moxy- 04:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

The article itself is overloaded with images. For example, instead of having all those images of Ethiopian emperors, a "see also" link to List of emperors of Ethiopia could be added, and the images removed. -- Whpq (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

• Can we get a third set of eyes on this problem!! As of now article is non readable,Moxy- 11:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay so counted we need to remove at least 25 or more images, The page has about 78 images, we need to make it in the 50 or maximum 60 images, in my revision i have 91 images, so i should then remove 35 images if my revision i done, meaning the ideal number of images should be around (54-55-56) images, the question then turns into what images should be kept and what should not be kept — Preceding unsigned comment added by CtasACT (talk • contribs) 20:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Images

Okay lets start this discussion regarding how many images there should be on the article and what should be removed, i have an idea, there should be around 55-50ish images in this article, no more than 60 images, after we have decided the amount, lets decide which images we should input and remove. CtasACT (talk) 23:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Images exist to complement text, the right number depends on the amount of text and the size of the images, and will adjust as the length of the article adjusts. Examples like Rwanda would suggest a more appropriately sized article wouldn't have more than 20-30. CMD (talk) 00:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes of course, since Ethiopia is longer than Rwanda by a far margin, i est it to be less than 60 but more than 50. So over 20+ pictures need to be removed, while at the same time adding new pictures which better represent the country. CtasACT (talk) 04:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

See examples at Canada or Japan... note how they are not an overloaded picture book and there's no sandwiching of text. Please list what images you wish to replace as the current images have be slected by talks.Moxy- 11:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay figured out which images should be removed (again they would be replaced with more suitable images) So they are first the picturs of unnecessary amounts of Emperors: ET Axum asv2018-01 img37 Stelae Park.jpg, The Kingdom of Aksum.png, Yekuno Amlak (cropped).jpg, Cristofano dell’Altissimo, Portrait of Lebnä-Dengel. c. 1552-1568.jpg, Susenyos Wellcome L0031387 (cropped).jpg, Emperor-fasilides-king-of-ethiopia.jpg, Iyoas I of Ethiopia.jpg, Menelik - Adoua-2 (cropped).jpg, And some world war two images including: RAS Abissini Pd-italy-005.jpg. News section such images as: Deputy Secretary of Defense Ashton B. Carter, left, is greeted by Ethiopian Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn at his office in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, on July 24, 2013 130724-M-EV637-339.jpg, Secretary Kerry and Ethiopian Foreign Minister Adhanom Hold a News Conference in Addis Ababa (3).jpg, need to go out since they are from non-head of government or head of state government officials rather ministers/secretaries. Next part: this image, Ethiopian soldiers marching in a military parade 2019.jpg can be replaced with a historic Ethiopian military photo. Other part: this can be replaced with a real photo of the dam, so this needs to be removed: Renaissance Dam site.jpg, and this, Ethiopia Product Exports (2019).svg, Other parts we also need to replace: Alwan Codex 27 Ethiopian Biblical Manuscript.jpg, also, Yared.jpg. Also this Addis Abeba07 (Sam Effron).jpg, So in total: 16-17 images need to be removed, and they of course will be replaced. With more suiting images. CtasACT (talk) 00:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I will be adding these images only for now until we reach an agreement: Grand-Ethiopian-Renaissance-Dam.jpg, Ethiopian cargo ship at Port of Djibouti.jpg, and replace images Renaissance Dam site.jpg, and Treemap on exports of Ethiopia 2014 (mid detail).png to balance it. But the rest of the edits we need to come an agreement unto CtasACT (talk) 00:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

If you're switching out images 1:1, I think you can be WP:BOLD without an explicit agreement for each one here unless there are objections. While there is a general need for a better WP:SUMMARYSTYLE, switching images out doesn't hamper that overall goal. Consider if the removed images would fit on a neglected subpage. CMD (talk) 03:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey was able to bring it down by 2 pictures from 78 to 75 images. So i would like no reverse edits because they will only increase the amount of images CtasACT (talk) 22:32, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Brought the images down from 75 to 72-71 CtasACT (talk) 22:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay now the total amount of images if 67-68 (this includes the one media video file) CtasACT (talk) 22:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@CtasACT: regarding this edit, 55 is not a magic number, there's no requirement that this article has exactly 55 images. If there are specific images you feel should be included we can discuss that, but a set desired number isn't a good basis for that. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:08, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Of course it isn't a magic number, but there was a consensus that there shouldn't be any more images than 56, and 55-56 area range has been seen as a stable view point of not "too much" nor "too little" images, a couple months ago this page had this same exact problem, but was fixed, now some editors are trying to destroy that foundation of balance. CtasACT (talk) 21:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

As far as I see only you had suggested 55-56 as an appropriate number; the only other specific number mentioned was 20-30 by CMD above. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

CtasACT...Can we pls get you to talk about any changes here first as this revert of a good copy edit of content bassed on your image preferences is not a good way forward. What we are hoping for is more good content editors here Wikipedia:Expert editors. Moxy- 21:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes i did Suggest 55-56 images, but User/Moxy did somewhat, and one other also did think it was approximate, parts of the whole conversation may not be available here because i might have deleted some of mine input months ago. 20-30 is too low, since countries like Rwanda, and Island nations even have more than that, so that's a non no for Ethiopia, 90-80 is too much since, again User/Moxy did delete multiple images based on Wikipedia's image policy of overuse of images, so 80-90 is a No No, so what the consensus was for 2 months was 55-56 images is the Best for a country as big and large for Ethiopia to have, no more than 56 fine than 60, but no less than 50 since it might be to small for Ethiopia, again i do not want to have a conversation again which should have already been concluded 2 months ago. CtasACT (talk) 22:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

There is zero policy base or consensus here for your arbitrary number of images. Please be aware that articles evolve and change over time this includes images and content. I'm more interested in educational images over decorative ones. Moxy- 00:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Lede needed / Too long

I added a "Lede needed" tag. Hope somebody familiar with Ethiopia can edit the lenghty opening section. Casey (talk) 15:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

The opening section does not seem extraordinarily longer than the opening for any other countries

e.g. just searching off the top of my head Kenya, Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

3-4 dense paragraphs, but I agree this one is a bit longer and harder to digest

So it probably warrants some work

But probably the wrong maintenance tag YordleSquire (talk) 22:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lead_too_long

This would probably be the right template. Will make that change YordleSquire (talk) 22:02, 26 October 2023 (UTC)