Talk:Elizabeth Rawdon, Countess of Moira

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Why so short?[edit]

A version of this page was deleted in Feb 2010 as a violation of copyright. I've created a stub to replace it. Please expand it. PamD (talk) 14:47, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And the addition on descent and titles is dispropotionate to the stub; but if her trouble with her mother (she said that she married to get away from the "life of duty" in her mother's house); her oppostion to organized religion; and her position in Irish social life were added it would appear about right. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I oversimplified by saying I'd created a stub. I forgot to include the fact that when the previous article, and all incoming redirects, had been deleted, a short article had been created at one of the other titles as this, so I included that in the stub. I leave it to others to add more material - I've done my bit by rescuing her from red-links, connecting all (I hope) her various redlinks back to the one article, and moving it on a long way from that previous mini-stub! PamD (talk) 23:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Titles[edit]

Her titles come in two classes: first, her father's baronies, which she inherited as last surviving representative of her father, at her brother's death in 1789; she did not use them; her son vindicated his right to one of them, and thus his right to sit in the English House of Lords, after her death: Botreaux, Hungerford, Moleyns, Hastings of Hastings, and Hastings of Hungerford. (Three of the others were recognized in 1870, and divided among the coheiresses of the last Marquess of Hastings. CP, VI, 623.) Her courtesy titles as her husband's wife are Countess of Moira and Lady (or Baroness) Rawdon of Rawdon; only in the very highest formality would she use the second. (Complete Peerage, Vol. VI, 337)

The Countess of Loudoun was her daughter-in-law; her son was created Marquess of Hastings. All of these descended to her grandson George Rawdon-Hastings, 2nd Marquess of Hastings. Since the Marquessate and the Earldom of Moira descend in the male line, they are now extinct; the rest of them - and the representation of George of Clarence - descended to the present Earl as the BBC said.

What the BBC does not appear to have said is that George of Clarence was attainted before his execution, and consequently can transmit no rights to his representative. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]