Talk:Edmund Evans

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that printer and engraver Edmund Evans collaborated with Victorian book illustrators Walter Crane, Randolph Caldecott and Kate Greenaway to create classic illustrations (example pictured) for children's books?
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Points[edit]

  • "his duties included delivering drawings to be approved to artists" - sounds odd. Was it "his duties included delivering proofs to be approved by artists.."
  • "Foster, whose father was friends with the well-regarded printer Thomas Bewick" - "had been", and Bewick is essentially an artist, though in partnership with an "engraver" - not sure they printed the actual books. Also the inventor of the wood-engraving technique, which could be said (ok covered later of course - but use "artist" here, or "illustrator").
  • Racquet Court [note spelling], off Fleet Street, the centre of the London media world" or something [1]. Now gone it seems.
  • Mustard plaster
  • Wasn't this The Lady of the Lake (poem)?
  • "the couple went to live Witley in Surrey" - I won't guess if "at" or "near".
  • "where he oversaw the engravers in the intricacies of the carvings, and the printers in the correct ink choices" - reads as clunky. Blocks are usually said to be "cut" by a "block-cutter" (next para too), & I think the inks were custom-mixed in his best work, not just chosen. Certainly he took great care with them (as well covered later).
  • "the visual art of book illustrations took on increasing popularity" also a bit clunky
  • "The art of woodcut, in which the parts to be printed in black were left in relief by the carver, allowing the printer to print illustrations with the text, extended back to the 13th century in Europe and further in Asia." - reunite the first & last bits. I'm not aware of European woodcuts on paper before the early 15th century, though images on cloth go back to c. 1400, and block-printed patterns on textiles earlier.
    • This has to wait. Just returned Gasgoigne to the library (late fees!) and would prefer to use that as a source for this sentence. I hope to retrieve the book tomorrow, or I can delete the sentence.
No, leave it for now - I have BG btw (but 1st edn), or other sources. Johnbod (talk) 19:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "His work was distinctive because of the characteristic quality of the wood engraving (carving) and his treatment of ink, which he limited the use of to create a more striking result, and came to be considered the "pinnacle of book arts."[29]" - needs a tinker, esp "which ... use of".
  • "Evans reacted against crudely coloured children's book illustrations, which he believed could be beautiful and inexpensive if the print run was large enough to maintain the costs. In doing so, Evans collaborated with Walter Crane, Kate Greenaway and Randolph Caldecott. [35] Books illustrated by Greenaway, Crane and Caldecott, engraved and printed by Evans, became popular and remain as classic examples of illustrations for children's literature.[14]" - rambles a bit; rearrange to avoid repeating the names?
  • "The following year, Crane was given a set of colour Japanese prints and, impressed by the colouring, he adapted what he saw to "the subjects of children's toy books and to the methods of wood engraving and machine printing"." - rather than repeat "colouring" maybe, if sources support, use "style" & describe it a bit - bold use of areas of flat colour etc.
  • "with printing and engraving expenses, large print runs were required." - any numbers would be helpful. Ok some later I see.
  • "Evans gave Crane a dummy book in which the entire volume was designed." - "Evans gave Crane a dummy book for him to design the layout of the entire volume." ?
  • More later. Johnbod (talk) 17:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 1889 Flora's Feast: A Masque of Flowers was published, with the illustrations of flowers depicted as persons for which Evans used as many as eight colour blocks" - needs a comma & perhaps better as "In 1889 Flora's Feast: A Masque of Flowers was published, with the flowers represented as human figures, for which Evans used as many as eight colour blocks".
  • "Later, previously released editions were reprinted with four bound together to produce a single volume" - they are works rather than editions (a bit confusing here). Maybe: "Later, collected editions of four works reprinted in a single volume were published."
  • "Reprints of Caldecott's The House that Jack Built continued to be printed from Evans' plates as late as the 1960s.[50]" - I'm sure they weren't using 8 or whatever woodblocks then, unless for a collectors' special edition, and these are on woodblocks, yes? I suspect the original woodblocks got copied into other methods later on, as I think with Beatrix Potter - talking of which, how many of hers did he do?
    • I read this sentence more than once and debated whether to include it. Have converted to a direct quotation. Possible Evans' firm printed the entire Beatrix Potter series, but the source only mentions Evans agreed to publish Peter Rabbit and that the rest of the series was successful. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "His relationship with Routledge, the prominent children's book publisher in Victorian England, gave Greenaway a commercial base she might not have had without Evans' influence. Furthermore, Evans' meticulous printing methods highlighted Greenaway's work and increased her commercial appeal." Routledge better as "leading" or "dominant" I think, and "publisher of children's books". Second sentence is a little flat. "... printing methods showed Greenaway's work to advantage/at its best..." perhaps.
  • "...Ventnor on the Isle of Wight" now already mentioned in previous para.
  • I think that's it. I'll comment at FAC later. Johnbod (talk) 19:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done all. Commented on one. Thanks so much for this list! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FAC Nomination[edit]

The article is now a candidate at the FAC page, here. Please feel free to add further comments and suggestions there. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations Truthkeeper, your hard work paid off - an excellent article. Richerman (talk) 13:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, after waiting for weeks I managed to miss the promotion! Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 14:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, well done - it just took so long because of the holidays. Johnbod (talk) 15:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Finally returned the books to the library to a huge fine. Thanks for all the help! I've learned quite a bit writing this article. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Typo in main page blurb[edit]

The main page blurb, having been copied from the lead section, at one point refers to Evans as “Edmunds”. I corrected the lead and will be requesting on Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors that the main page blurb be changed. 68.109.117.85 (talk) 02:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 02:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sentence fragment[edit]

From the section "Children's books": "Early in the century children's book were often hand colored, and the chromoxylography processes." Is this supposed to be part of the sentence, or is it a fragment from an earlier draft? Brutannica (talk) 18:27, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing. Fixed now. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It probably got lost in the vandalism. Richerman (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicated sense[edit]

The penultimate sentence from the penultimate paragraph in the Randolph Caldecott section is: Evans followed Caldecott's pen and ink illustrations by engraving the illustration on a woodblock. The first sentence of that paragraph states the illustrations were photographed onto the wood and then engraved. Does this second variation indicate Evans worked directly on the blocks, skipping the photography step? Or should it be merged into the first sentence? -84user (talk) 00:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will have a look at the sources again. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That was a bit redundant. Caldecott drew the illustrations which were photographed onto the wood; Evans engraved them. I've reworded a bit. Thanks for the catch. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:38, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Undoing[edit]

Hello Truthkeeper88, as I did not quite understand your revert, plze tell me how to proceed, so I do not make the same mistake. Thnks Lotje ツ (talk) 15:13, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lotje, a lot of time was spent getting the images right in this page, and before others are added, I'd prefer to make sure they are appropriately licensed, definitely the work of Evans, and balanced in terms of how many from Crane, Caldecott, etc. I reverted, expecting to take some time to review File:Trumpeter Taken Prisoner.jpg you added. Although it's nice to see this image by Crane, I'd first want to crop it to see only the image, not the bookcover, and the bookcover plus a background. Also, I'm not entirely sure we need another Crane image, (there are quite a few on this page), but once it's cropped it might be nice in the gallery, or if that's full, on Crane's page, or on toy book or even chromoxylography. If you don't mind, I'll get back to this a little later. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 16:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's great ! Tell me, how do I proceed in future with other files of which I think they might be worth having them on an article? Lotje ツ (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think with pages that haven't been through reviews, particularly image reviews, which are necessary to achieve FA status, it's probably fine to do what you've been doing and add them. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

with the printing house Routledge and Warne[edit]

We have Evans in the early 1860s printing "in association with the printing house Routledge and Warne" (simply linked to the publishing company article Routledge). Shouldn't that be printing in association with a publishing house, presumably George Routledge & Co.?

In the publisher biography Frederick Warne we say that G. Routledge and F. Warne partnered under the Routledge name in 1851 --and imply that the date must be earlier than that if Routledge and (William Henry) Warne is intended. --P64 (talk) 00:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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