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Player profile

Draymond Green is the type of player who demands a player profile section. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Playing center

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association#Draymond_Green's_position.—Bagumba (talk) 19:07, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Center in lead, revisited

Being that we're a full regular season later, and have seen that the "Green at the 5" was not just a "gimmick" for a couple Finals games, but is now an integral part of the Warriors' offense as the "death lineup," this needs to be reconsidered. Perhaps it shouldn't be in the infobox for positions, but it certainly should be discussed as a significant part of Green's play and his career. There's practically an entire genre of NBA writing this season that has analyzed Green's performance at center as not only a significant contributor to the team's success this year, but as a harbinger of change for the position across the league as a whole. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 19:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Green will be considered a center for All-NBA voting purposes and had the second-highest RAPM of any player in the NBA when playing at center. Reliable sources clearly and widely discuss Draymond's significant minutes at the center position as a major part of his total package as a player. To omit it based on some outdated subjective standard of what someone else thinks a "center" is, should have zero impact on the encyclopedia. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 07:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Per CBS Sports, approximately 20 percent of Green's minutes were played at center during the 2015-16 season. That's not insignificant or irrelevant, and it's why reliable sources consistently and widely discuss his play at that position. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 07:22, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

@NorthBySouthBaranof: You have now inserted the text twice into the lead, though DaHuzyBru had reverted it before, and more recently myself. I'm wary of listing center as a position when mainstream sources like NBA.com profile, the Warriors' own website, and basketball-reference.com don't list him as a center. Just because a player isn't listed at a position, doesn't mean they don't sometimes play another position, e.g. LeBron as a PG. Wikipedia applies due weight to sources, and is not necessarily here to right great wrongs. If there is consensus Green should be listed at center on Wikipedia, it should be consistently mentioned in both the lead and the infobox, not only in the lead and not in the infobox as it is currently. Otherwise, center should be removed from the lead and discussed in the body only.—Bagumba (talk) 07:47, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
As discussed here, there are a wide, wide variety of reliable sources which talk about Draymond Green at center, and I can continue to add them. This is not "righting a great wrong," it is indeed reflecting the sources which increasingly discuss Green's play at the position. I agree that it shouldn't be in the infobox, and that we should discuss him primarily as a power forward, reflecting the minutes he's played. Also reflecting the minutes he's played, and the paradigm shift at the position that many analysts argue he is forcing, we should give at least some prominent placing to the discussion of Draymond Green's role at center. It is a major part of what Green does for the Warriors and his ability to play the position is widely viewed by a whole bunch of basketball analysts as a key to their success as a team this season. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 08:01, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that position is based on traditional lineups, and more and more players play multiple positions nowadays. Do we call Curry a SG too because Green plays a lot of point forward, and he and Klayh Thompson sometimes defends opposing PGs as well. Should LeBron be listed at Center and PG? The possibilities are endless if we use temporal positions. Therefore, it seems more straight-forward to use the position a player is listed at, not intermediate positions that we find via research. Otherwise, it's confusing for a non-basketball fan reading the opening paragraph to see a conflicting fact in the infobox. Perhaps center can be moved to the last paragraph in the lead instead? —Bagumba (talk) 08:18, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Are there reliable sources that talk about Curry as a shooting guard? If there were a large number of reliable sources that discussed Curry playing as an SG, I would say yes, we should add it. But obviously there are not, because he doesn't play any significant minutes at "shooting guard" and literally nobody thinks he plays at shooting guard. On the other hand, we have this deluge of sources talking specifically about Draymond's play at center (in admittedly limited, but very significant minutes) as an indispensable key to their success.
I don't think it is "conflicting" or confusing in any way to note that a player plays multiple positions. We note that LeBron James has played both small forward and power forward in the lede of his article, and in fact, we note that he has played both those positions in the infobox of his article. Same with Derrick Favors who is listed as "Power forward / center," among a bunch of others I'm sure I could find in five minutes. If we can do it for them, why can't we do it for Draymond? Or are you suggesting that we should remove one or the other from their articles? NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 08:22, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
That said, I think we can improve the wording and consolidate such that, as you suggested, we move it down to the third graf for now... if Green gets named First Team All-NBA at the center position, we may have to revisit this, but that's WP:CRYSTAL :) NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 08:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
No less a source than The Guardian on Draymond as center: Draymond is the reason why Golden State’s small-ball lineup of Green, Curry, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, and Andre Iguodala works so well. A center that can shoot, pass and defend at an elite rate throws opposing teams into a frenzy. This sheer dynamism of the lineup makes it nearly impossible to defend. And Green is the key to it all. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 08:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

NorthBySouthBaranof: Thanks for compromise of moving mention of center from the opening paragraph to later in the lead. In the cases of James and Favors that you referred to above, the positions that WP uses are consistent with their listed position at NBA.com and basketball-reference.com. Green may be an exception to list at center regardless, but I'd prefer to wait for either consensus here or reliable sources to list (not just mention) him there. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 09:05, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

I would agree that until his team or the league lists him as a center it shouldn't be in the infobox. I think it's pretty telling that they don't. 19:34, 17 April 2016 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rikster2 (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2016

Nutcracker

TheSteveyBee (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. nyuszika7h (talk) 20:54, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
This is a POV nickname regarding his playoff fouls. Not discussed in reliable sources as a name that is sticking. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:45, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Under the “National team career” section, information regarding the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympic results should be added. Draymond Green’s gold medal should be added, along with his game statistics from the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympics. The article does not show neutrality when it refers to Draymond Green as an “excellent defender” who has “outstanding interior defense”. One point that distracted me was when the article discussed Game 1 of the first round in the 2013 NBA Playoffs. Draymond Green was quoted explaining what happened when he poorly defended a player, which led to the player scoring a shot. I think that quote is irrelevant detail and should be taken out. The rest of the sections explained more important games and accomplishments, and this paragraph was different from the rest. The author referenced to unnamed sources when he referred to Draymond Green, saying that “some even calling him the league's best center.” “Some” is a broad term that does not explain who the author is referring to. This should either be taken out or the term should be replaced with a more detailed source. Trevornessel (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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2017 Steals Leader

It says in his player profile that he led the NBA in steals in 2017. This is incorrect, John Wall led the league in steals this year. Could someone please fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.16.52 (talk) 02:54, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2017

"NBA steals leader (2017)" can be added to the list of accomplishments (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html). 71.166.54.158 (talk) 02:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Done. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Proper notation that Draymond Green has led the league in steals

As Draymond Green is the NBA steal per game leader in 2017 which is how the NBA rewards steals titles (and even though it already notes this in his career highlights and rewards section that he is the 2017 steals leader) his career stats should have the same format as others. In other player articles, when they lead the league in a stat, above their career stats it says "lead the league" in blue, and the stat the player led the league in is highlighted in blue. Look at the Wilt Chamberlain article for reference if necessary. 69.159.74.105 (talk) 06:48, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Done. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2018

In the "Personal Life" section, please correct his sister's name, change it from LaToya Barbers to LaToya Babers, like his mom's name. Lindamarcella (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

checkY DaHuzyBru (talk) 17:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Personal life section

In the Personal Life portion of the page under the mentioning of his arrest in East Lansing the assault incident took place at a restaurant called Conrad's Corner which is in no way shape or form a Bar. Please remove the Bar portion after Conrad's which is a Fast Food Type restaurant. Jdk4781 (talk) 07:09, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Sources say Conrad's Grill [1] so I tweaked the info accordingly. DaHuzyBru (talk) 07:22, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Although google and wikipedia both say that Draymond has two children, he actually has one son named Draymond Jr. Kyla is his ex-girlfriend's daughter from a previous relationship. Please make the change to Draymond has one child, a son named Draymond Jr. [2]

Done. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2019

Offical Andrewer (talk) 18:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Draymond is 6 foot 5 feet tall THANK YOU

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 21:16, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2019

Draymond is currently engaged to his Hazel Renee.

https://www.insideweddings.com/news/celebrity-style/nba-player-draymond-green-hazel-renee-are-engaged/4667/

Below are articles that confirm the engagement and include the instagram video of his actual engagement.

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2019/2/18/18230363/2019-nba-warriors-draymong-green-engagement-ring https://abc7news.com/sports/warriors-draymond-green-tv-personality-hazel-renee-announce-engagement/5144217/


Please change "Green has one child, a son, Draymond Jr., born with his girl-friend Jelissa Hardy." to "Green has one child, a son, Draymond Jr. He is currently engaged to Hazel Renee." Bsosenko (talk) 12:56, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: All the articles available about any Green-Renee engagement, including the one offered above, all source back to a statement made by Green's coach in a pre-game statement: ... and lot of guys have brought family members. Draymond got engaged. A lot of great stuff. That statement doesn't state who Green got engaged to.. Although it is highly likely to be to the person previously publicly identified as Green's then-girlfriend, the fact that that statement was made almost two years ago now and there's been no follow-up confirmation in any WP:RS means we should be cautious about adding it. We should especially be skeptical of adding it as a current status. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:00, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Please see the below NY Times article that says that Draymond is engaged to Hazel Renee and has two children. Jelissa Hardy is not his girlfriend. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/sports/basketball/draymond-green-michigan-state.html

Please change "Green has one child, a son, Draymond Jr., born with his girl-friend Jelissa Hardy." to "Green has two children. He is currently engaged to Hazel Renee."— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsosenko (talk • contribs) 16:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

 Partly done: We don't remove information cited to wp:RS, as the previous information was, just because an article subjects relationship status changes. I added the information from the Times article. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2020

i want to edit information about how draymond green is an overrated player in the nba. there is not information on this on this webpage and i feel as though it is important. The-real-StEPHen-A-sMIth (talk) 06:58, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@The-real-StEPHen-A-sMIth: Articles need to be written neutrally and verifiable. Feel free to suggest text and be sure to cite reliable sources.—Bagumba (talk) 07:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
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