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Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2019

(1972-1978) is incorrect. It should be changed to (1978-1980) as Jorge Blanco presidency. Car69 (talk) 19:28, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MrClog (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

2019 dominican republic unexplained deaths

2019 dominican republic unexplained deaths - need a section on this - seems strongly notable from the news https://www.google.com/search?q=2019+dominican+republic+unexplained+deaths&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=--2600:8800:FF0E:1200:1962:B311:16B2:F79B (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect dates for rule of Antonio Guzman

The following sentence (in the introduction paragraph) includes incorrect dates for the rule of Guzman:

"A civil war in 1965, the country's last, was ended by U.S. military occupation and was followed by the authoritarian rule of Joaquín Balaguer (1966–1978 and 1986–1996), the rules of Antonio Guzmán (1972–1978) and Salvador Jorge Blanco (1982–1986)."

Guzman was in power 1978-1982, as shown on his own Wikipedia page, and also by noticing the inconsistency of having two rulers at once and no one in the period from 1978-82.

21:58, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Note and References

Note #14 needs to be updated to reflect most recent HDI released in 2019. Wikipedio1 (talk) 05:09, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Please update GDP info

New GDP numbers in the IMF source. Please update it to this year's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santiaguero95 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Statistics from Operation World

In this edit: [1], I have replaced some demographical statistics information taken from the publication "Operation World: The Definitive Prayer Guide to Every Nation", with more reliably-sourced data from Encyclopædia Britannica and the CIA World Factbook. Historiador91 has twice returned the same data (but without citing its source) to the article, e.g.: [2].

The publication, which lists its own sources as including the Joshua Project, as well as non-expert volunteers, does not appear to meet Wikipedia's requirements for reliable sources. Please see for example these discussions at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 188#"Prayer for the World" published by a Evangelical Christian media foundation - is this RS?, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 163#Joshuaproject.net, and numerous other related comments. If anyone wants to return the information to the article, I would ask that they please first open a discussion at RSN in order to obtain consensus about the reliability of the source in this specific instance, thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 22:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Unsourced content

I have reverted for the third time the addition of the statement that the Dominican Republic is the second-largest nation in the Caribbean. It was added by user Ddum5347 without citing any source. The existing source, the CIA World Fact Book, verifies the previous statement that it is the second-largest in the Antilles, but not the Caribbean as a whole. The user has refused to discuss the issue of unsourced content and edit-warring on their talk page, and ignored my request for them to remove it, so I've again removed it myself, per WP:V and WP:BURDEN. If they wish to make an argument for it, they may do so here. --IamNotU (talk) 16:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I will add a source for this statement shortly. Ddum5347 (talk) 16:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Since Guyana and Surinam are usually considered to be Caribbean countries, if you're adding sources please be mindful of WP:WEIGHT. --IamNotU (talk) 17:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Those are only considered Caribbean countries culturally, not geographically. It's irrelevant Ddum5347 (talk) 17:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

The source doesn't verify the statement that it's "the second-largest nation in the Caribbean"; it doesn't mention the Caribbean at all. It's just a list of countries and their area, and it shows Guyana and Surinam as being much larger than either Cuba or the Dominican Republic. The statement doesn't differentiate between "culturally" or "geographically" in the Caribbean. Adding the statement to the article would require demonstrating that these countries are not considered to be Caribbean nations by the overwhelming majority of published reliable sources. Since I don't believe this is possible, I ask that you please remove the statement. If you dispute this, I ask you nevertheless to return the article to the status quo, follow bold, revert, discuss method, and discuss it in order to reach the required consensus before re-adding the content. If you feel that you're unable to reach a consensus, then you may follow one of the methods of dispute resolution. --IamNotU (talk) 17:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I have used the same source as the article. If you do not agree, then that is unfortunate, but my claims are no longer unsourced. Ddum5347 (talk) 20:54, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not the way things work here. Edits require consensus, and they must conform to the core content policies. The source you have cited doesn't verify the statement, it doesn't contain the word Caribbean or anything about what countries are in it. It may be possible to find other sources that say the Dominican Republic is the second-largest country in the Caribbean, but there are also sources that say something else, for example a report by the IMF which says that "Guyana is geographically the largest country in the Caribbean.", and numerous others. I don't see why it's necessary, or an improvement, to use the term Caribbean, which may be open to different interpretations, when the existing Antilles, as used in the cited source, is accurate and unambiguous. Please let me know how you would like to proceed in order to resolve this dispute. I ask you again to return the article to the previous status quo until it's resolved, as is the usual custom. --IamNotU (talk) 21:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Guyana and Suriname are part of South America, not the Caribbean. They may border the Caribbean Sea (like Venezuela or Colombia, for example), but are not part of the region. For reference:. Unless you want to bring in a third party so they can agree with me, I recommend you keep the article as is. Ddum5347 (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

The statement that they are "not part of the region" is contradicted by any number of reliable sources, for example found in a Google Books search, including the one from the IMF already given, the United Nations report on Agriculture of the Caribbean, and many others. Some sources say Cuba is the largest country in the Caribbean, while others say that Guyana is. You can give as many "lists of Caribbean Countries" that don't include Guyana or Surinam as you like (btw, Statista is not a reliable source for this information), but that doesn't invalidate the many reliable sources that do include them. Certainly they are, as described in our articles on the Caribbean with multiple supporting references, widely considered part of the Caribbean. I object to the statement you've added because it gives undue weight to one particular viewpoint of the meaning of "the Caribbean", i.e. only the islands, when there are more than one. Particularly in English Wikipedia, readers may also associate it with the Commonwealth Caribbean, which certainly includes Guyana, or the Caribbean Community which also does.

You haven't given any reason as to why it is so necessary to change to this terminology, rather than the existing one that more precisely specifies the island countries. If you insist, I can list this as a dispute at WP:3O. It will take a little more time, since in fifteen years of editing, I've never had to resort to dispute resolution to reach a consensus before. --IamNotU (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

You're grasping at straws to support your weirdly specific (and incorrect) claim. Ddum5347 (talk) 02:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Please place your comments above the "reflist" template, and indent them. I have listed the dispute at WP:3O. --IamNotU (talk) 04:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

Hi, I am Springnuts, a previously univolved editor. I have not, as far as I know, previously interacted with either of the editors involved in this 3O request. The nub of this disagreement seems to be whether Guyana and Suriname are part of the Caribbean. Given that they are full members of the Caribbean Community it is hard to see a rationale for saying they are not. There seems no disagreement that DR is the second-largest in the Antilles, and this statement should, im3o, remain in the article. I hope this helps. Springnuts (talk) 13:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC) (UTC) Springnuts (talk) 13:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out, Springnuts. You're correct that there's no dispute about the existing description of it being the second-largest in the Antilles. That seems to be an accurate and adequate description, and surely there's good reason it's used in the CIA World Fact Book from where it's taken. I think that adding "(and the Caribbean)" is not only unnecessary, but detracts from the quality of the article because it can be ambiguous - if Guyana and Surinam are Caribbean nations, then the Dominican Republic is not the second-largest. Conceivably we could use a different term like "West Indies" that refers unambiguously to the islands, but then we'd need to find a replacement for the citation, and the World Fact Book is probably the most-cited source on Wikipedia for these country articles. I don't see what is to be gained from it. I would like the sentence to be returned to the previous version.

Ddum5347, Springnuts' third opinion doesn't agree with yours, that the continental countries are unequivocally not part of the Caribbean. I see that since then, you've continued to add content (also unsourced) to other parts of the article. If you're finished with this discussion, I'll restore the sentence. If not, please let us know how you'd like to proceed. In the latter case, I'll ask you again to at least restore the "failed verification" template you removed without fixing the problem, or better, to restore to the status quo, pending consensus to change it. --IamNotU (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

References

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Short Dominican History

@IslandMan89: there is still one (now broken) reference to "Short Dominican History" left on the page. Normally I would just fill it in with the original details, but it looks like you purposely removed a few other tags with that ref so I figured I'd check first and see if it should just be removed instead. I'm guessing you've decided the source isn't reliable, but I don't really know because you didn't bother with an edit summary. Those are very useful for working with other editors and avoiding needless conflict. Please let me know (or just fix it as you see fit). -- Fyrael (talk) 20:10, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@IslandMan89: you've now edited the page multiple times since my message but have not fixed the issue. Please fix it or at least start communicating. Wikipedia is not a solo project. -- Fyrael (talk) 15:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021

Hello, "The Arawakan-speaking Taíno moved into Hispaniola from the north east region of what is now known as South America, displacing earlier inhabitants, c. 650 C.E. They engaged in farming and fishing and hunting and gathering." We can change the last sentence to : "They engaged in farming, fishing, hunting and gathering" without repeting the "and"... Ajilefostad (talk) 17:58, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Run n Fly (talk) 18:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

@Run n Fly: Hello, me again, on this sentance : "Ferdinand wanted the "best Indians" working his royal mines, and kept 967 in the San Cristóbal mining area, supervised by salaried miners" the referencies are just numbers without links... can you check that ? thank you !

error in 1996–present section.

"Neverthelss" is in the second paragraph.

For some reason I cannot edit this page, though I can edit others... didn't see a message saying this page was locked either.

So someone who is able please correct that spelling... Also try editing in each era as a seperate section to aid future edits.

Cheers! 82.9.104.192 (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Done Pincrete (talk) 17:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Overly? strong claim about Castillian expansion

The second paragraph states "The colony of Santo Domingo became the site of the first permanent European settlement in the Americas and the first seat of Spanish colonial rule in the New World; the Castilian empire thus became the first to extend its power outside of Europe since the fall of the Roman Empire." I'm not sure what the citation for the second half of the sentence is, and (perhaps removed from original context) it seems to suggest that Castille is the first... (Western?) European power?... to expand out of Europe since the Roman Empire. As noted in the previous sentence, Columbus landed there in 1492 - but the Siculo-Norman kingdom expanded into North Africa in the 1100's, the Norse were in Greenland in 980 and most analogously the Portuguese took Ceuta in 1415 and were settling in Madiera, the Azores and Cape Verde by 1462; the latter (and various perhaps-contestable forts in continental Africa) is even outside the Mediterranean and the Roman sphere (perhaps the context means to exclude Africa, but then why is the Roman Empire - which didn't expand into the Americas - relevant?).

I'd suggest the second half of the sentence be removed (the sentence should just read "The colony of Santo Domingo became the site of the first permanent European settlement in the Americas and the first seat of Spanish colonial rule in the New World." which is fine on its own) though if there's some more specific claim being made in the original source then it would be okay if amended to clarify.

--2601:285:8380:1910:4DB4:56A3:487C:55BA (talk) 03:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done Great catch! That sentence is also bizarre considering this Santo Domingo even the first Castilian expansion outside of Europe, that would be the Canary Islands. Curbon7 (talk) 07:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 11:34, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Swiss link

please change ((Swiss)) to ((Swiss people|Swiss)) 2601:541:4580:8500:8CD1:B1DE:ECE1:2B90 (talk) 17:45, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Commented out sections of article

I just rescued a reference to fix a cite error, and the original reference had been <!-- --> out. Looking further whole sections are commented out in the same way, is there a reason for this? ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 23:27, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Why is that in American republic of the Dominican republic ?

Why is it called that I don’t know 🤷‍♂️ 72.49.128.96 (talk) 20:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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Religion percentage

The percentage for religious people given in the society section (7.5) at the start doesn't coincide with what is said in the text. For example the pew research center gives us numbers that are similar with what the text says. --Dabei Lord (talk) 17:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2022

96.252.71.143 (talk) 07:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC) 

GDP is wrong 😑

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. KRtau16 (talk) 10:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Map of provinces is in German

Granted, that only effects the names of the Atlantic Ocean and Caribbean Sea, but could someone make an English map? Bkatcher (talk) 04:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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HDI 2021

The HDI is the 2019 one, not the 2021 one (0,767). 82.130.188.139 (talk) 08:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Suggestion for removal of use of inappropriate language

The use of the word mulatto in History, Dominican War of Independence (1844-56), paragraph 2 is inappropriate and needs to be changed to a term without usage as a racial slur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runningtadpole (talk • contribs) 21:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Agree, Wikipedia's own page for the word says it is considered offensive and should not be used, so maybe don't use it. 86.7.111.48 (talk) 18:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

I just got back from the DR and the Dominican guide used that word to describe the majority of the population. Bkatcher (talk) 04:52, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

i came on here because of that word. i can see why its was there as the word was previously appropriate but its beyond me as to why its still there. 75.143.46.40 (talk) 22:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Ethnic groups category

The demographics as per the Dominican poll states that 45% of those polled identified as Indio, 17.8% as Blanco, 16.3 as Moreno, 9.4% as Mulato, 7.8% as Negro, 3.2% as other. The term Indio should not be confused with mestizo if the source is actually read it is stated that mestizo is a little used term in Dominican society. Mestizo is also in reference to those mixed with European and Native American blood where in Dominican Republic the majority of the indigenous people died off in the 1500's. Also, Indio is merely a skin color descriptor used by mixed race Dominicans whose skin ranges in the light shades of brown, it does not mean mestizo.

I also noticed the Negro section was completely erased. Without Negro the assortment does not add up to 100%. In Dominican society there is a negation of African roots as I suspect that is at play here in the deletion of the Negro category. Moreno and Negro are both used by Afro-Dominicans, with Moreno referring to medium and dark shades of brown and Negro referring to black and dark skin shades. I have restored the demographics as they once were and have kept the groups in Spanish terms as they are per the Dominican census. More clarity will be brought once the official Dominican census results are tallied.

DTHEBOSS (talk) 17:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2023

Add the Romani article to other languages.

https://rmy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic 45.8.146.82 (talk) 02:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

It's unclear what you're asking for - do you mean the 'Languages' panel on the side (which is created automatically), or part of the actual content in the article? Tollens (talk) 04:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, just learned that the languages panel has to be done manually, I should've checked first. Opening this back up since I don't have the required permissions on Wikidata. Tollens (talk) 04:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done please note that similar requests should made on wikidata.org. M.Bitton (talk) 22:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Lenguajes

en la República Dominicana hay dos idiomas oficiales los cuales son el español y el inglés, además en la península de Samaná desarrollaron su propio dialecto de nombre inglés samanense que fue traído por los inmigrantes afro-americano en RD 190.8.34.177 (talk) 00:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia. 104.175.74.27 (talk) 04:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Why is there not a SINGLE mention of the Commonwealth of Dominica?

The only mention I could find in the entire lengthy article was a Wikipedia note not to confuse Dominica with the Dominican Republic.

Despite the many differences between what are two separate countries, couldn't there at least be a mention somewhere in the actual article text about the Commonwealth of Dominica, along the lines of how it's another Caribbean country, but a separate one, and tracing the etymology to Saint Dominic? 104.175.74.27 (talk) 04:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2023

Welcome to Dominican Republic Gemerdy (talk) 01:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. AnnaMankad (talk) 02:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

GDP (nominal)

Sidebar says it's 121 TRILLION. That's fucked. 24.230.213.176 (talk) 16:25, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Evian Conference: WW2

The Dominican Republic was the only country willing to accept large numbers of Jewish refugees during the Évian Conference preceding World War 2 out of the ~30 something nations invited. This is not a commonly talked about topic so it could be included. 2603:8000:7200:D100:2C20:98F9:BAEE:4989 (talk) 22:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect link

Article says "symbolically used U.S.-made M-1 carbines supplied by the United States" but M-1 links to the M1 Garand, not the M1 Carbine. Lassi0011 (talk) 13:29, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Horacio Vasquez

change ((Horacio Vasquez)) to ((Horacio Vásquez)) 2601:540:CA80:5FB0:FD85:16A2:C9AA:C38D (talk) 08:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)