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2006 Season

I noticed that the 2006 Season is a really really long section of the article...Would it be a better idea to have a small paragraph or two summary or selection of that article on this page and make the 2006 Detroit Tigers its own page? [Reference what the 2006 Minnesota Twins is like]

Agreed.

Changed Game 4 info...Don Larsen pitched a perfect game in the World Series.

  • Not sure if that's the answer or not, but what I do know is that the section on the 2006 season is waaaaaaaaay too long. It's been a fantastic season for Detroit, but they do have over a century of baseball to be addressed in this article, and 2006 is only one year. Vidor 00:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
There are also some raging POV and even OR issues in that section. Lot of rah-rah talk, as well as some evaluation-type statements on players. Now that their season is nearly over, it's a good time to condense it. | Mr. Darcy talk 02:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Mention of article in Detroit Free Press

haha, I thought it was pretty funny that this article got mentioned in the Freep this morning: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006608020435 I read through this article every day (or so) and it was quite humorous for me to see it in a real publication --X96lee15 16:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Current roster

I propose that we delete the current Detroit Tigers roster from this page. The timeliness of the information makes it more suited to wikinews. It would be more succinct to add a link to Tigers page on ESPN.com or Yahoo! Sports. What say you? --djrobgordon 17:38, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Given that all pages on major league baseball teams feature that information, this really isn't the place to raise the issue. I'm not if there's a page somewhere to discuss issues relating to all articles on major league teams. Mackensen (talk) 18:05, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Tigers have signed this years first round pick, Andrew Miller. He has been sent to Lakeland and is on the 40 man roster. He gets a 4 year deal.--Tigersfan1992 22:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ernie Harwell

Should he be added to the Hall of Famers list?

Not only that, but can we please at least MENTION Ernie Harwell in this article? Not many other figures in American sports have been so associated with one team, despite having never played for, coached, or owned said team.

On a related note, to whomever redid the retired numbers section, NICE touch. I think it's a great way to not only honor the tigers greats, but to explain the names in commerica park to all who wiki this. Top job! BT14 16:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Main Rivals

Are the Yankees really are a "main rival" of the Tigers? I don't think so. Win777 21:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Given the way the Tigers have played in recent years, I really don't think you could label them as part of any rivalry. Maybe the 1962 Mets, but that would be about it. Wahkeenah 23:45, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I think you could call the Indians and White Sox rivals, couldn't you? User:68.255.76.217 05:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

  • You could, but only because they're in the same division, so it doesn't add anything to the article. Every intra-division matchup constitutes a "rivalry". Wahkeenah 06:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Cleveland is not a rival; what a joke. I've gone to well over 100 games, lived in Detroit for over 30 years, and never heard anyone mention Cleveland as a rival, until I read it here. I don't think the Tigers have any rivalries. Maybe the Blue Jays, when we were in the same division, but that's history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.220.177.1 (talk • contribs) .

I shortened the rivalry section to what we can confidently say, which isn't much. Personally, I think we should eliminate the section altogether -- the Tigers (and I'm a long time fan) don't have any rivalries beyond the whomever is competing with them this year (e.g., the Indians and Twins so far in 2007) -- but I doubt there is consensus for it. Guanxi 22:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Player National Flags

What is the protocol on this? Carlos Pena was born in the Dominican Republic, but as far as I know, he's an American citizen and has been for a while. Does the flag always represent nation of birth? --Elliskev 20:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, flags should refer to country of birth. Citizenship generally isn't public information, so it would be hard to keep rosters accurate if that was used. - Pal 21:58, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Makes sense. Thanks! --Elliskev 12:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

History-2003 season

Shouldn't someone at least mention the horrible 2003 season? For some reason we skip right from 200 to 2004, and that seems sort of like a key season. User:68.255.76.217 05:04, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

  • It is mentioned, under the "Tigers Declawed" section. Wahkeenah 06:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
There is no Tigers Declawed section --AW 13:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

2006 Record

Should the team's current record really be in this article? Seems to me that's an ever-changing number. Currently it's being updated regularly, but what if the updater goes on vacation?

I think it should be removed.--X96lee15 22:46, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't keep it. Except for the occasional off day, it requires daily updating, and it is extremely subject to being outdated often. Many services already cover current baseball records. Wikipedia is not a news service. -- Win777 03:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Can someone add the current logo? I don't know how to upload them. Bornagain4 12:58, 27 June 2006 (EST)

  • I think the logo is the current one. It's the logo on http://www.detroittigers.com Are you referring to the D with the Tiger crawling through it? --X96lee15 17:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I must have made a mistake, if it is the logo on the website, well, we can't argue with that. Bornagain4 17:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

team numbers

What is Lloyd McClendon's number if 21 was given to Sean Casey? Does anyone know? --Tigersfan1992 20:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

2006 "Highlights"

I think we should keep them. After this season, I think they can be summarized into a single paragraph or two once we see how the season ends and can then determine what the actual "highlights" are. Until then, I think we should put them back in. I do agree thought that they should be removed once we can put the entire season in perspective. X96lee15 17:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You can tuck them away on a user subpage and insert them later when the season is over as part of the overall team history. Notes on Shelton's pace to 8 home runs and on Guillen's cycle are appropriate because they are notable for history, record setting, and rare. Right now, Wikipedia does not need updates for every game in which the Tigers overcome a deficit for a win or for one grand slam. News articles and blogs cover games and current events well enough. Wikipedia is not a newspaper or a blog. -- Win777 17:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I suppose you are right. I do think that those moments are important to the 2006 season though. What if a "2006 Detroit Tigers" was created? I'm not sure of the precedent, but I seem to recall seeing individual season pages for sports teams while I've been poking around here. X96lee15 18:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

That about a third of the article text is listing highlights of a single season for a team with a 100-year history is really not really very encylodpedic! And makes for extremely dull reading. Nfitz 16:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Succession boxes

Yikes! Too many, IMO. I'm not sure what the precedent from other pages are, but the ones on this page clutter things up. I can only imagine what the Yankees page looks like. All that info can be found in the main info box at the top of the page (number of WS champs, pennants, ALCSs, etc.). X96lee15 21:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Jon Merryman

Jon Merryman is the greatest baseball player to ever play the game because he has every single World Series Title and ring. By the way he can also throw a three-ten curveball. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.139.139.129 (talk) 13:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Quick Facts

   Team Motto(s):

       * "Who's Your Tiger?"
       * "Home Again" (in reference to the team's move to Comerica Park)

   Theme Song(s):

       * "Tiger Rag"
       * "Go Get 'Em Tigers"- Written and recorded during the '60's.
       * "Lifelong Tiger Fan Blues"- A song written by Jeff Daniels in 1993, with numerous versions recorded since, including an updated version in 2006 after the Tigers' ALDS win.
       * "Bless You Boys"- Theme song for the 1984 season.


Who's your Tiger is not a motto, it's an ad slogan. I've never even heard the Home Again phrase. Also to be a Theme Song I think the song should be played at least once a game, if the Tigers are not in the playoffs these songs are not even heard. It would be better to list these as Previous Rally Songs or even Songs Inspired by the Tigers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RichGreene (talk • contribs) 00:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Franchise History

"The club is a charter member of the American League, one of four clubs (with the Boston Red Sox, Chicago White Sox, and Cleveland Indians) still located in its city of founding."

The syntax of this sentence makes the fact wrong. Tampa Bay, Toronto and others are still in the original city of founding. It should read something like: The club is one of four charter members of the American League to still be located in its city of founding. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RichGreene (talk • contribs) 00:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Logo Box

It really should say Home Cap Insignia, since the Road cap is different. The Tigers use different D's everywhere, including their home jersey, and on the field and signs at Comerica Park. Maybe there should be a short note of this in the main article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RichGreene (talk • contribs) 00:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

The Cap Insignia used in all the team pages is the insigna worn on the home baseball cap. The color may change on the away, or batting helmet, so we just stick with the home cap. However, the additional word "home" makes it too long and too clunky. Cap insignia works fine. - Silent Wind of Doom 18:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


Nickname

One of the things that have become a major part of the baseball articles has been the nicknames. They've ben added to the leads as well as the infoboxes. However, the Tigers are one of the notables not to have one, at least not one mentioned in the article. What nicknames do the Tigers go by? I'm sure they are not known only as "The Tigers". I was considering putting "The Bless You Boys", but I wasn't sure if that was too period specific. For instance, "Miracle Mets", which applied almost exclusively to the circa 1969 team, was not mentioned as a nickname. "The Bronx Zoo", however, which referred to the late 70's Yankees teams, is still used today (mostly by critics) and so it was included. - Silent Wind of Doom 18:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

No mention of 2003 season

The 2003 team was one of the worst in history, why isn't it mentioned? --AW 13:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a mention of it in the The Randy Smith era section. What would be nice though is to have a season page for each of the Tigers' season, but that's one heck of an endeavor. At the very least the World Series years (84, 68, 45, 35). You can get the game logs other places on the Internet, but it would be cool to have text that illustrates the high/low points of a season...even crappy ones like 2003. X96lee15 20:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of uniforms?

Why was the drawing/layout of the uniforms deleted? They were from "Dressed To The Nines" Hall of Fame exhibit. In this is an encyclopedia, a free one at that, why can't these pictures be used? Copyright is acknowledged to the Hall of Fame, and no one is making money off of these pictures. Let people know what the Tigers wear on the field. 21:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


"Bold moves" -- POV language

Somebody said that bringing up Cameron Maybin, replacing Pedro Infante with Ramon Santiago on the roster for shortstop defense, and effectively releasing veteran outfielder Craig Monroe were "bold moves". Such moves are bold if they entail huge risks. The bigger risk is in trying to force Infante to play shortstop when Guillen needs a break and to keep giving chances to Craig Monroe when he is struggling during a pennant race.

I have deleted the POV language through consolidation of a little text.--Paul from Michigan 20:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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Archiving

I set up archiving on this talk page due to some very outdated comments.   jj137 (talk) 02:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Going over slot in the draft

I'm surprised this phenomenon hasn't been mentioned, as the Tigers ownsership's flouting of MLBs slot rules has had a great impact over the last few years. Hell, they wouldn't have Willis or Cabrera without it. --Redwolf75 (talk) 06:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Uniform and Logos

I created the section, but it needs some help. Anybody care to take a crack? SixFourThree (talk) 21:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree

40 man roster

Yesterday I fixed the roster to exactly what it is now and im pissed because they changed it back. Look baseball is my thing and when i make a roster adjustment leave it because i no more than anybody. I better get credit for this crap. Ricedaddy09

Thanks for your work, and welcome. I didn't see your edit, but did you provide a source? If you provide a detailed rationale on this talk page, and reference this page in your Edit Summary, then you can discourage others from changing it back. Here nobody's voice is more important than others - we don't know you. While you're at it, please sign your Talk Page posts with four tildes - it'll sign and date your post for you. SixFourThree (talk) 13:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree

First Paragraph

The first paragraph is poor.. two mentions of AL champions seems a bit odd... i nominate someone to take the time and be a little more eloquent. 

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.58.217.20 (talk) 21:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Tigers player pages

Whoever did some of the Tigers player pages like the Franklyn German page needs to do a little better job at it. This below is a whole article:

Franklyn German is a relief pitcher currently playing with the Detroit Tigers, and has a career ERA of 5.73.

C'mon, people can do a little better than that!

2007

"signed third baseman Brandon Inge and starting pitcher Jeremy Bonderman to four-year contracts." this should be resigned.

Nickname origin

This caught my eye:

There are various legends about how the Tigers got their nickname. One involves the orange stripes they wore on their black stockings. Tigers manager George Stallings took credit for the name; however, the name appeared in newspapers before Stallings was manager. Another legend concerns a sportswriter equating the 1901 team's opening day victory with the ferocity of his alma mater, the Princeton Tigers. The earliest known use of the name "Tigers" in the news was in the Detroit Free Press on April 16, 1895.[citation needed]

The truth is revealed in Richard Bak's 1998 book, A Place for Summer: A Narrative History of Tiger Stadium. In the 19th century, the city of Detroit had a military unit called the Detroit Light Guard, who were known as "The Tigers". They had played significant roles in certain Civil War battles and in the 1899 Spanish-American War. The baseball team was still informally called both "Wolverines" and "Tigers" in the news. Upon entry into the majors the ballclub sought and received formal permission from the Light Guard to use its trademark and from that day forth it is officially the Tigers.

The "truth" is a bit strong. Unless there's some evidence to support those assertions, then we should present it as another theory. SixFourThree (talk) 21:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree

For that reason, I'm also removing the assertion from the introduction. And if anyone can verify the claims, it would be much appreciated. SixFourThree (talk) 17:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree


Culture

It feels like we could greatly expand some of the "Tigers culture" stuff. Are there entries for "Bless You Boys" or "Go Get 'Em, Tigers" or the "Eat 'Em Up Tigers" guy or even for the term "Tiger Town"? We should look into that stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.241.139.64 (talk) 19:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Olde English D

The Tigers' uniforms featured the Olde English D on their uniforms for more years than the article claims. The article lists it as having appeared as a jersey logo from "1934-1959, 1961-present," while mentioning that a blackletter "D" was first seen in 1904. The article fails to mention that, according to the Baseball Hall of Fame site, a blackletter "D" appeared on Tigers jerseys from 1904-1915, 1917, 1921-1926, 1928-1929, 1934-1959, 1961-present. By 1908, and with few interruptions, the "D" was essentially identical to the one worn by the team today.

Doesn't anyone find it strange that the Tigers were not supposed to have used that logo until 1934, and on the same page, there's Ty Cobb wearing the highly recognizable "D" in a picture from 1913?

It should also be mentioned that the Olde English "D" is widely considered to be the oldest logo in baseball, as described in USA Today article by Mike Dodd http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/playoffs/2006-10-22-tigers-emblem_x.htm?csp=34.

It is also considered by many to be the oldest logo still in use in pro sports, as it traces its origins to a similar "D" used on the uniforms of the pre-Major League Western League Tigers in the 1890's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djsparks (talk • contribs) 08:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Checking Marc Okkonen's book on baseball uniforms, on which the Hall of Fame information is based, you're totally right about the Tigers' logo. It's debatable that it's the oldest, since the A's and their predecessor were wearing a stylized A clear back to the 1860s, I think, although those were not continuous teams. For Detroit, the block letter D first appeared on the 1903 road uniform. Prior to that, and otherwise, the shirts said "DETROIT". In 1904 it was switched to the familiar old English D, and in 1905 it appeared on both home and road. It continued that way until one variation of the road uniform reverted to a block D in 1915. It was totally a block D in 1916, then went back to the old English D in 1917. In 1918 it was a slightly ornate but modern D. It went back to old English in 1921. In 1927 it was swapped out for a Tiger logo. In 1928 the old English D reappeared on the home shirt, with "TIGERS" on the road shirt. In 1929 both shirts had the old English D. In 1930 it went to both home and road featuring a script "Detroit". The old English D returned to the home shirt in 1934 and stayed that way through 1959. In 1960 they went with a script "Tigers" on the home shirt and a block "DETROIT" on the road shirt. In 1961 they went back to the old English D on the home shirt and retained the block "DETROIT" on the road shirt. That continues through 1991, the last year the book covers. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 08:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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Nationality of Players

Main page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball § Nationality of Players

Given the fact that baseball is becoming an increasingly more international sport (i.e., more non-U.S. leagues in existence, more non-U.S. players in the MLB), the roster formatting on Wikipedia should probably be updated to reflect that. If you look at the formatting for other international sports (such as soccer), the player nationalities are indicated using flag icons. I think this would be a beneficial update to each of the major league rosters in the MLB, it would not be too difficult to implement and it would not clutter the information on the page. However, before such change a change is implemented, I thought it would be healthy to achieve at least some form of consensus on the talk page for each team. yuristache (talk) 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose: I think it'd make them too cluttered. The reader can find out players' nationalities by reading their profiles. BTW I think you should have this at one centralized place like WT:BASEBALL instead of 30 separate pages. TomCat4680 (talk) 05:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Good idea -- I have put it in a centralized spot. However, it wouldn't be any more cluttered than, let's say, the Manchester United page. yuristache (talk) 01:57, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Recency Bias

Does the section on the 2009 Tigers season need to be three times the size as the section for the fifteen year period between 1946-1960? There doesn't seem to be any reason for this other than that Wikipedia existed in 2009 and didn't back then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.18.170.253 (talk) 08:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I added a recentism tag to the franchise history section. I also added some expand tags on the shorter sections; you could do some research and expand them yourself. TomCat4680 (talk) 16:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Sparky's #11 retired

Sparky's number was retired today. It's on right field between Harwell and Robinson. There needs to be a picture for it. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

TV coverage

Someone may want to consider adding that Tigers baseball can also be viewed on MLB.TV since it is a very popular method of viewing their games. (Chiver620 (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC))

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Tigers' logo has changed

FYI, the Tigers' logo is now the "skinny D": http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/list_by_team/59/Detroit_Tigers/ Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 03:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

How's that a change? It's been their hat logo for decades. Are they putting it on their home jerseys too or something? TomCat4680 (talk) 10:23, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
It's their official team logo now, replacing the fat D. The hat and uniforms are unchanged. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 20:32, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Detroit Tigers founding date

I have provided three (3) reliable sources from MLB.com that state that the Detroit Tigers were founded in 1901. For reference, here are the URL sources: MLB team-by-team histories, Detroit Tigers yearly W-L results, and Detroit Tigers history timeline. Also, the American League (AL) was founded in 1901, as the first source I provided indicates. I have no idea why TomCat4680 (talk) continually reverts my edits. It is frustrating. I have provided multiple URL links from MLB.com, which should be considered an official source, that indicate that the Tigers' first season was in 1901. I am not intending to get into an edit-war with TomCat4680, because it will result in both of us being blocked from editing. However, I am asking other editors (besides TomCat4680) to weigh in, so that WP can reach consensus regarding the matter. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

See History of the Detroit Tigers. The franchise was founded in 1894 as part of the Western League. They were a founding member of its successor, the American League, in 1901. I'm not sure what part of that you don't understand. This article also mentions the book "A Place for Summer: A Narrative History of Tiger Stadium" by Richard Bak, 1998, pp. 58–59 as the source for the original founding date. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:30, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
There's no URL for that book. I've provided 3 URL sources from MLB.com, which says the Tigers were founded in 1901. What don't you understand? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Your source is wrong. It fails to mention they were a founding member of the Western League. If you'd like to buy a copy of it for yourself, here you go: [1]. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:41, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
No, your source is wrong and not reliable. My URL links come from an official source (MLB.com). It's all about placing a URL reference in the text. Major League Baseball doesn't recognize the history of the Western League. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:45, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
How is it unreliable? Have you even read the book? This article is about the entire franchise, not just the American League version of it. The Tigers were a minor league team before they were a major league one. MLB.com isn't the only "official" source for baseball information. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@TomCat4680: It's unreliable because there's no URL that an editor can place in the text. Also, MLB.com IS the only "official" source for baseball team information. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:55, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

I just posted the url. It's for sale on Amazon. It says the first game at Tiger Stadium was in 1896 right on the back cover. Click here ----> THIS IS THE URL. <---Click here. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:56, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
@TomCat4680: That's a URL where anyone (not necessarily another editor) could buy the book. I'm talking about inserting a URL reference within the main text of the article itself. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:05, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes I know, I did that too. TomCat4680 (talk) 23:07, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
@TomCat4680: So I have tweeted at the official historian of Major League Baseball (MLB) (John Thorn). (Here's a URL of the Twitter conversation). He says that the Tigers were a minor league club in the Western League in 1894, and that they became a major league club in 1900. So, it stands to reason that it is incorrect to say that the Tigers were founded in 1894; instead, it's correct to say that the Tigers' first season was in 1901. So, please stop reverting the main Tigers article with inaccurate information. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:00, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Logo for 2016

The Tigers official logo for 2016 is the olde English D that appears on the hat (this is different from previous years in which the logo was the olde English D that appears on the jersey). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.245.231 (talk) 03:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Owner name vandalism

Anyone who has an authority to change something on the tigers page. PLZ change the owner name. Some idiot has changed it to (Cleveland Indians) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.207.82 (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Me and some others repeatedly changed it back on Sunday after Detroit was swept by Cleveland but it was granted protection for a week after that because of multiple idiots' vandalism. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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