Talk:Deathcrush

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No NPOV[edit]

although stylistically the album cannot be seen as anything but straight-up simplistic black metal.

That part of the sentence should be rewritten or removed from the article. X-pert74 00:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- I forgot to sign my last comment. X-pert74 00:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what do you propose we put for it's genre?

Well the least we could do is edit that part out, as it states that it is Black Metal as if it's a fact, even though the first part of the sentence mentions that there are those who think of it as Death Metal. X-pert74 20:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Black metal isn't even a real genre. It is just a term for bands that hold a certain ideology. It never had a musical definition therefore people need to stop trying to give it one. --Pasajero 03:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You may be the first person I've ever heard with that opinion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.162.15.155 (talk) 04:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Of course black metal is a musical genre, it was a reaction to, and influenced by death metal but utilized more prominent classical-based tremelo picked passages as a mainstay of the song structures, and featured more actual hamonic dissonance. Also the vocal style is fairly distinct from death metal, as is the more prevelant incorporation of synths and the the ideas of ambience/atmosphere as a primary goal of music. The article probably should mention that Deathcrush is often considered to be a death/thrash styled release however, incorporating only prototypical elements of what would come to be defined as black metal.

What do you think puts the 'black' in black metal? It's the ideology not the music. Bands like Doomstone (doomish), Diaboli (suicidal), Witchmaster (thrash), and Wolfthrone (raw) play different types of metal yet all are considered black metal. Why do you think that is? Funny how black metal supposedly has a musical definition yet includes bands that are nothing alike. --Pasajero 02:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, because bands like Mayhem, Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal, Satyricon, Tsjuder, et all don't sound anything alike? Oh wait...they don't share the same ideologies either o_0 Thats why Morbid Angel and Deicide aren't considered black metal bands in modern definition either.

Black Metal is musically different from other genres of Metal. I haven't heard the other two, but Wolfthrone is Black Metal while Doomstone is not Black Metal. Chances are anyone who calls Doomstone Black Metal also calls Venom and Mercyful Fate Black Metal. X-pert74 19:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Black metal is ideology not music. I found this FAQ about black metal ([1]) and the guy seems to have his shit straight. It explains why Venom and Mercyful Fate are black metal. If you think they aren't black metal just because of the "music" they play then you have much to learn about black metal my friend. --Pasajero 16:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually used to call bands like Venom and Mercyful Fate Black Metal, but then I decided otherwise. After thinking about it, it really makes no sense to call a band Black Metal simply because they sing about Satan. If you were to do that, you would have to call Metallica's Jump In The Fire a Black Metal song, and Deicide a Black Metal band. That FAQ does point out that bands like Immolation aren't Black Metal despite their lyrical content, but even then it slips up and contradicts itself. How is Venom in any way a band that quote, "aim[s] to hint at healthier values or an alternate world?" Venom sang about Satan and the occult for shock value, and to go beyond what bands like Black Sabbath had done. The FAQ mentions that Temnozor, Beherit, and Summoning all sound different, but yet are still all Black Metal. This I agree with, because musically they all have a basic Black Metal sound, even if they are different kinds of Black Metal. Bands like Venom and Mercyful Fate, however, don't sound like them at all, beyond the fact that they are all Metal bands. Cradle Of Filth's early material is more Black Metal than they ever were. Desolate_Gale seems to be spot-on on a lot of the FAQ, but I disagree with those points of his. X-pert74 18:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

???Death metal???[edit]

This album is far from death metal. listen to this then listen to morbid angel, death, cannibal corpse, deicide or possessed. Mayhem sounds NOTHING like that. death metal requires guttural screams and/or growls, and the vocals on this album are high shrieks, typically used in black metal. The album does have some thrash roots in there, but its still a black metal album and there isn't any death metal roots in it at all, besides gory lyrics, which doesnt mean its all of a sudden a death metal album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okram 09 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NOT A Studio Album[edit]

This album is much too short to be a studio album. Also, if you look almost anywhere, this is considered an EP and refer to "De Mysteriis" as their debut album. I think this should be changed. TheSickBehemoth (talk) 02:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)TheSickBehemoth[reply]

What you said evidently is a fact, not an opinion. I will change this immidiatly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.212.116 (talk) 19:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Genre, quick..[edit]

Ok, this has been a massive topic of debate, I think we should merely label this as extreme metal, as not one indivudal sub-genre can be agreed apon. This is the only option I see fit, if I can get one person to agree with me, i'll go ahead and edit it.--Incesim (talk) 19:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the only option is to leave it blank. Whether it's labelled thrash/death/black/extreme metal, or a combination of those, there'll always be someone who disagrees. ~Asarlaí 19:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All those genres: Death/Thrash/Black all come under Extreme Metal/ Its better than having to resort to bloody Heavy Metal. Just my 2 cents, lets get some more opinions.--86.2.212.116 (talk) 22:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, I think its fair to give people the information, even its just an umbrella term, it gives readers the information they may be lurking for. Comment above is me btw --Incesim (talk) 22:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We call it what reliable sources do. It's fairly simple. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Outro - not written by Mayhem members(?)[edit]

I think the songwriter to Outro should be changed. They obviously lifted the lyrics from one recording by The Young Ones. Lyrics to it were very similar (although YO version also featured second verse).

Here is the transcription of the whole recording I talked about (I'm not sure, if I can post it, but it is just to prove). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.98.157.198 (talk) 06:00, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Silvester Anfang[edit]

Silvester Anfang is not a "cover" of Conrad Schnitzler. According to Metal Archives and discogs it's a piece taken straight from Schnitzler's archive, recorded by him (and named Silvester Anfang by Mayhem). I don't own a copy of the album, so if someone is able to find authoritative source to corroborate this and change the wording, it would stop the confusion. If you listen to it, it's clear that it's an electronic piece not played by a death/black band on live instruments. --212.79.110.115 (talk) 06:39, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A source will need replacing[edit]

This website listed in the references section no longer contains any information, it's practically blank. http://www.cookingwithsatan.com/interviews/the-mayhem-archive-part-ii-dead-interview/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.50.135.6 (talk) 23:15, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Original print[edit]

The original print run was 1000 copies in a hot pink color, and not blood-red as Mayhem intended. This should be included in the article (the number and a picture of the pink cover). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.121.111 (talk) 13:12, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]