Talk:Danish opt-outs from the European Union

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Move?[edit]

Wouldn't "Danish referendum on European Union opt-outs" be a better title? - $\mathrm {S}$ . $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$ . 13:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope, we've got a standard for election articles. —Nightstallion 15:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When the election is called...[edit]

If the current Danish reports are correct, there will be two referendums, as Nightstallion has just added to the article. I think we should already now try and establish a consensus on what we should do once (and if) this happens. The options as I see it:

Rename this article to "...referendums", and then have one section for each actual referendum.
Split the article into two different articles, one for each referendum
Rename the article to reflect what the first referendum is about, and then wait until the Euro referendum is announced until we create a seperate article for that referendum (i.e. the same as option 2, just waiting to create the Euro referendum article)

There may be other options, and feel free to add them here. Personally, I think option 1 would be best, but that we should probably go for option 2, because this will allow us to maintain the style of the navigation template where we write the year of the referendum - which is not feasible if the article contains several referendums to be held in two different years. But what does everybody else think? -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 17:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in favour of option 2. —Nightstallion 14:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008 referendum cancelled[edit]

Danish media report that Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has cancelled the referendum previously planned for this autumn, stating that his decision was caused by the uncertainty produced by Ireland's rejection of the Treaty of Lisbon. The PM has stated that he hopes that it will be possible to hold a referendum before the next general elections, but that he will not give any promises in that regard.[1][2]

On a side note, this development is not that surprising given that the EEC court decently punched a gaping hole in Denmark's immigration policy,[3][4][5][6] which again has caused a lot of public resentment against the EU. In addition, rumours have that the EEC court is about to challenge even more aspects of Danish immigration policy.

I have updated the article to reflect that the referendum won't happen this autumn. However, the analysis about the EEC court, while probably at least partially accurate, seems to fall under WP:OR and should not be added to the article, unless some reliable analysts put it in print. -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 21:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad... —Nightstallion 23:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible cancellation[edit]

Since new PM Lars Løkke Rasmussen has said that the referendums will happen "when the time is right", this has been seen by analysts (in TV, I'm searching for a written source to add to the article) as an indicator that the referendums will not be called in this electoral period. One argument is that it would be political suicide. Lars Løkke has to convince voters that he is the right man for the job, has two years to do so, and EU referendums typically divide the Danish population in two, which is the last thing he'd hope for. Also, the government's support party, Danish People's Party, are against abolishing the opt-outs, and that could be a further problem for Lars Løkke if he decided to call these referendums. That doesn't mean that we should delete the article. However, perhaps we should remove it from the {{Danish elections}} template? After all, the Danish European Constitution referendum was cancelled and is not in the template, either. I'm asking here rather than at the template talkpage because it seems more likely to garner replies. -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 06:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm against it. It's still planned in principle, even if it may be postponed after the Social Democrats' election victory. ;) —Nightstallion 23:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's just starting to look a bit like WP:CRYSTAL to me - a concern I stated way back when the article was first created as well. -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 16:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's still planned and a theoretical concept with lots of sources about it is still encyclopedic. At worst, it'll be an article about a planned referendum that didn't take place -- and then it would still be encyclopedic. —Nightstallion 22:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Danish EU constitution referendum was scrapped because the whole treaty was scrapped. But I guess the opt-outs referendum has only been postponed because of the Irish no. In a Politiken article from 2009-05-13[7], L L Rasmussen states that there will be a referendum before the next general elections. However, in another Politiken article[8], published just 1 h 17 min later, he says that he hopes that the referendum will take place before the next general elections (that is, he is no longer certain about it). But hidden in the first article, it says that he only hopes for a referendum: "Statsminister Lars Løkke Rasmussen (V) ønsker en dansk euro-afstemning i denne valgperiode." Complex matter... (212.247.11.156 (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Any specific date?[edit]

As of November 2009, there seems to be no specific date when the Danish government plans to announce the date for the referendum. So far, it is known that the referendum is to occur before the next general elections no later than November 2011, exactly two years from now. Any new sources for the near-future event? —Terrence and Phillip 07:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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