Talk:Daniel Wiffen

Nationality

People from N. Ireland are listed as that: cf. Rhys McClenaghan, another Irish Olympian. Wiffen's dual nationality and representing Ireland and N. Ireland are well portrayed in the article Billsmith60 (talk) 23:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

If Wiffen's nationality was not Irish, he wouldn't be representing Ireland. He would be representing Great Britain which NI athletes by default are supposed to represent (unless they willingly opt for Ireland instead). I've added a citation which is Daniel's Silver Hatch Sports profile that clearly identifies him as an Irish swimmer. Daniel himself links this on his own Twitter while also placing his location as simply Ireland. Daniel has made his Irishness very clear. Only you seem to have a problem with this.

Stevenbfg (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

As I said – and being Irish myself, like Daniel – Wikipedia's policy is to "identify" him as being from Northern Ireland. Thats where he was brought up, like Rhys McClenaghan. The article clearly states that he represents both Ireland and N. Ireland and has dual nationality. Leave it alone, please, and don't be engaging in personal attacks. Assume good faith. I have reverted your changes. Regards Billsmith60 (talk) 10:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Michael Conlan has also represented Northern Ireland at the commonwealth games so that means nothing. Ireland don't compete at the commonwealth games so the choice is to either represent NI or not go at all. There is no "dual nationality" here. He has chosen Irish over British by virtue of picking Ireland over GB AND NORTHERN IRELAND, and literally directs you to his Silver Hatch Profile to tell you he's Irish, as is his right under the GFA. I've reverted again and if you want to take this further, go ahead.

Stevenbfg (talk) 03:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's policies as noted above. Why are you reverting without further input from other people? I've reverted you until the matter is resolved by consensus Billsmith60 (talk) 12:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I've asked for additional opinions Billsmith60 (talk) 13:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I think you asked in the wrong place. The Conflict of interest/Noticeboard (COIN) page is for determining whether a specific editor has a conflict of interest (COI) for a specific article and whether an edit by a COIN-declared COI editor meets a requirement of the Conflict of Interest guideline. For content disputes, after proposing changes at the article talk page, follow the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution procedural policy. -- Pemilligan (talk) 14:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

So, Looking at some other pages involving people born in/living in northern ireland, it seems to be "Irish [person], OR "[person] from northern island", with their profession. Amy Broadhurst Barry McGuigan Paddy Jackson Robbie Millar Per WP:UKNATIONALS, the policy is to decide it on a case by case basis, as there is no consensus on how it should be applied to people from the UK. As for essay portion on the relevant discussion - the following points I read, and agreed with, and found relevant to this dispute. No variation is particular to any one nationality. Individuals may identify more closely with being "British" or with being "English", "Irish, "Northern Irish", "Scottish" or "Welsh", for example (see British people § Classification) Since the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, people of Northern Ireland may identify and be accepted as British or Irish, or both, and to hold both British and Irish citizenship. It also says It is not possible to create a uniforming guideline, when such strong disagreement exists on the relative importance of the labels. Re-labelling nationalities on grounds of consistency—making every UK citizen "British", or converting each of those labelled "British" into their constituent nationalities—is strongly discouraged. Such imposed uniformity cannot, in any case, be sustained. While this is not British per se, the reasoning still applies. Post a message asking for advice or assistance on the talk page, and/or on relevant WikiProjects and notice boards. When an idea of nationality exists, consider deferring to that view It seems clear enough to me that the subject of the article identifies as Irish, but I would not say its wrong to describe him as being from northern Ireland. So, as an adjective, "He is an Irish person", as a background, "He is from northern Ireland." DarmaniLink (talk) 06:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'll adjust the article accordingly if not already done Billsmith60 (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)