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Dalai Lama as reincarnates

Are the Dalai Lamas believed to be reincarnates of Avalokiteshvara? If so, why no mention in the article proper? Mandel 07:02, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, this definitely is important. I've added it to the first paragraph. technopilgrim 01:50, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Dalai is not a reincarnation of anybody. He was developed by the fusion of an egg cell and a sperm cell. He suffers diseases in the same way as everyone; links here even say he is a HepB carrier. He needed glasses from an early age. If he were the reincarnation of some spiritual or god-like being, why would he not have perfect eye vision without the help of a human invention?

The Dalai Lama is believed to be the manifestation of the karmic connection of Chenrizi (Avalokiteshvara). The 14th is not the reincarnation of the 13th, nor the 13th a reincarnation of the 12th, and so on. This is the common confused idea that has been adopted in the West. The Dalai Lama is not the reincarnation of Chenrizi, he is the manifestation of Chenrizi's karma, of his compassion. The Dalai Lama as a human individual is separate from the Dalai Lama as a manifestation of Chenrizi. *It should also be noted that the 14th himself has said that some Dalai Lamas in fact were the manifestions of Manjushri. --Bentonia School 09:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The Dalai Lama is believed to be the manifestation of the karmic connection .... Believed by whom? Is it believed by anyone with a NPOV? It sounds rather POV. I should think the workings of the Universe is a bit more complicated than 'karmic connections'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.200.219 (talk) 19:29, 12 May 2007

You should think? You don't find karma complicated? How interesting. It is believed by the Dalai Lama. See The Story of Tibet: Conversations with the Dalai Lama by Thomas Laird, ch. 1, pps. 22-26. From the text:

"When someone asks me if I am the Dalai Lama, or reincarnation of the Dalai Lama, then without hesitation I say yes. If they ask me if I am the reincarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama, then I say I don't know."

Surprised at the turn of the conversation, I carried on. "So the 13th Dalai Lama as a human being is separate from the 13th Dalai Lama as a manifestation of Chenrizi?"

"Yes," he answered..."But the Chenrizi in you," I asked, "is the same Chenrizi that was in the 13th Dalai Lama?"

"No, not Chenrizi," he said, gently correcting me. "It's some kind of special connection or blessing from Chenrizi in the 13th Dalai Lama. Or in my case, yes, perhaps a special blessing from Chenrizi. Whereas with the 13th Dalai Lama, maybe he was a true reincarnation of Chenrizi. But these things are very mysterious."

"Yes, mysterioius," I added...

"Yes," he said, nodding his head, "mysterious. But some people can understand this, if they have developed certain power of mind. It is very rare... So, you see at the spiritual level there is a connection, a lot of connection, a lot of karmic forces or spiritual forces."

So, again, the manifestation of the karmic connection or spiritual blessing or what have you, not of Chenrizi himself. But, these things are very mysertious;) Oh, and sign your posts next time. --Bentonia School 15:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

81.158.47.214 20:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC) Strange how this explanation does not match the explanation given of how he was first recognised as the reincarnation when he was discovered as a little boy.

Are you referring to how the Dalai Lama is chosen, by selecting articles that belonged to the previous Dalai Lama? If so, this doesn't seem contradictory. Read the passage from the book again. The key point is the karma. (Sign your posts, please) --Bentonia School 00:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

81.158.47.214 00:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC) A very interesting explanation. May be there is a karma-meter, which can measure the presence and direction of these karmic forces you describe.

• Rolls eyes* The fact that you don't sign your posts indicates distinctly that you're a troll. --Bentonia School 06:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

81.155.103.36 22:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Everything is signed with the 4 tildas.

Just so you know, the typical way of signing is to put the four tildes at the end of your comments rather than the beginning. Which is why Bentonia School keeps thinking you aren't signing. -- Jonel | Speak 03:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The start could be better

I think the first sentence and paragraph here could be improved. It's quite technical, invoking 2 specialist terms (tulku and Gelugpa). For the average reader who knows nothing about Buddhism, it could be a little off-putting. Maybe there could be a sentence before it saying something about the Dalai Lama being the traditional spiritual leader of the Tibetan people. Just a suggestion. 62.231.39.150 09:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Dalai Lama translation

Would be good to put the two translations together, "Ocean (of) wisdom", or something like that, instead of completely leaving the reader in the dark. Just a thought...

194.60.106.5 11:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC) Of course you could give whatever title you wish. Simply calling oneself 'Ocean of Wisdom' does not actually imply that one's wisdom is in fact as large as an ocean.

Links to CIA

Someone has added notes about CIA links back in late 1950's. I guess I don't see the point. Does it really belong? Csbodine 08:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

It's not about the Dalai Lama as an office, so no. Mark¹ 14:05, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I added the CIA info, why was it taken out? I see it as a relevant point and even an historical info, and as something that could add more that one dimension about political/terrenal issues about the Dalai Lama/Tibet .

Acrilico 01:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

This article is about the office of the Dalai Lama, not what the government led by a particular Dalai Lama did in the 1950s. Mark¹ 02:16, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I think the CIA links are quite properly placed on the page of the 14th/current Dalai Lama article but may also be something that should be placed here perhaps in a new sub-heading called Controversy or some such (see the NPOV concern which I will be placing above). Tenzin Gyatso has admitted to receiving money from the US through the CIA and the training of resistance fighters in a Colorado facility all taking place back in the 1960's. See the article on Tenzin Gyatso as well as the links in that article for further details regarding the CIA connection.

Ma'ath'a'yü (aka: Proofing) 15:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)^{Talk | @}

CIA Links?

OH, great. Now this article just went into the CIA leaks. Who do we think we are, detectives? Please remove this article.

Please sign articles in the future as it helps to follow the flow of dialogue. You can do this easily by adding 4 tildas (~~~~) after your comment on the edit screen. Thanks.

See my entry above in "Links to CIA" regarding this. It is not a matter of personal knowledge from playing detective in the bushes (which would be a violation of Wikipedia content guidelines). Such a connection between the CIA and the 14th Dalai Lama having occurred is not in dispute as it has been admitted to by the 14th Dalai Lama. The question is where that factual information should be placed. Not including it would likely violate the NPOV as it has probable bearing on some of the PRC position as regards the Dalai Lama and Tibet. Hope that clarifies it. --Ma'ath'a'yü (aka: Proofing) 08:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama

Can someone please explain the relationship between Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama? Also, as for the lottery selection system in front of the Chinese Emperor, does it only apply to Panchen Lama? or it applies to Dalai Lama as well? Every new Panchen/Dalai Lama must be officially recognized by current Chinese Emperor? When did this tradition begin?
thanks—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.163.94.3 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 22 December 2005.

The Imperial Ordinance promulgated by Qianlong Emperor in 1793 stated that the selection of the Dalai Lama, the Panchen Lama and other high-rank lamas shall be made by means of the Golden Urn lottery[M.C. Goldstein, 'A history of modern Tibet', p44, n13].--219.79.166.53 02:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Great, and what does this emperor have to do with that? rudy 20:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

194.60.106.5 13:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC) Nothing. The whole of China isn't going back to the rule of the emperors and the regional Tibet isn't going back to the rule of the lamas.

Can any one tell me how Dalai gains the power to select Panchen?

So far as I know they are the leaders of different branches of Lamaism. And why can I see Tibet as part of China on maps published by the government of ROC on Taiwan? My friend told me Buddhists are not allow to kill, but why can lamas kill slaves? Ain't they Buddhists? Or their religion is quite different from other Buddhisms? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.106.114.254 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 28 December 2005.

Well, just for clarity for anyone else who might be reading this, the Panchen Lama is not the leader of a different branch of Tibetan Buddhism. Rather the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama are both part of the Gelug sect, and they are traditionally involved in finding the replacement for the other. You might be thinking of the controversy over the recognition of the Karmapa, who is the leader of a different sect, and which the Dalai Lama has involved himself in. However, note that, in that case, the Dalai Lama and the Chinese government are on the same side. - Nat Krause^(Talk!) 03:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Protected with vandalism

Please note that this protected page still shows traces of vandalism. RexNL 20:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Just took out some vandalism - "doosh bag" was found at the end of the list of lamas. 68.197.193.247 23:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Since the dalai lamas are reincarnations of previous dl's should living dl's be charged with the crimes they committed in their previous lifes?

International law is secular and so does not recognize reincarnation, and neither do the laws of most modern countries, so the answer would be no. The current and previous Lama are counted as seperate individuals in law regardless of their status within Buddhism.

The Office of the Lama however could probably be found culpable of certain crimes, but this would most likely be done by making it responsible for the actions of its members in the same way that a company can be held responsible for the action of a past chairman.

82.34.112.4 15:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting legal position. Does it mean that legally speaking, the claim of reincarnation made by the dl and adherents are unlawful, and as such, false and misleading? As the dl claims reincarnation, could the dl be brought before a Court and made to prove his claim, or otherwise to stop misleading others? Is such legal protection enshrined in for example the UK's Trade Description Act? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.60.106.5 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you are getting stuff confused: one is what the law says, and that relates to living persons, not related to reincarnations. The other point is one may recognise a person as the reincarnation of another dead person, but the two persons are different persons, dying and being reborn is different from getting a haircut :-) rudy 20:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

81.131.92.73 21:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC) Really? I wonder who is confused? 28 Oct 06.

194.60.106.5 12:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC) ', dying and being reborn is different from getting a haircut'? Of course it is; in fact dying and rebirth are very different from each other too. I think what people want to know is what is the difference between 'reborn' and 'born', not whether it is the same as getting a haircut or not. 31 Oct 06

194.60.106.5 10:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC) 'The other point is one may recognise a person as the reincarnation of another dead person, but the two persons are different persons,'... You should apply statistics and genetics analyses to this point of yours. Given the Tibetan culture of polyandry, add a bit of infidelity, add a few travellers (pilgrims and travelling salesmen), and add the traditional Himalayan and Mongolian hospitality, are you surprised that there are 'strangers' who are recognised as reincarnation of another dead person, but are two different persons?

Unqualified Use of "incarnation"

It seems to me that use of the word "incarnation" without qualification creates some major baggage. When we say that the current Dalai Lama is an "incarnation" of past Dalai Lamas, we're making some pretty specific metaphysical claims, are we not?

194.60.106.5 09:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC) I think you are right, but some metaphysical concepts get corrupted into physical concepts, which then start all sorts of arguments and hatred between peoples that could ultimately lead to wars and the horrific deaths of millions. This appears to be a fact of life in the history of human civilisations and is still happening today. 1 Nov 06

where to add this article link ?

Tibet's Contribution to World Culture Ramashray 11:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Tibet was conquered my the Mongols, Not the PRC

It was conquered by the mongol empire, not a recent conquest of PRC, Tibet was then integrated with the Ming Dynansty. There was never a question of the PRC "invading" Tibet As it was stated int he article. You would think the United States would have acted, seeing all the fancy stuff they're doing with Taiwan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.2.171.43 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 11 April 2006.

Yeah, well, according to the government-in-exile, Tibet was a sovereign state prior 1951, which had a very close diplomatic relationship to Qing China as well as a traditional religious relationship between the successive Dalai Lamas and the successive Aisin-Gioro emperors. The fact that the U.S. acted in the case of Taiwan but not Tibet probably has a lot to do with their capabilities: the U.S. is a major naval power, but Tibet is a landlocked place. In any event, Wikipedia is not a debate site. You may wish to take this sort of argumentation to www.politicalcrossfire.com or some similar site. - Nat Krause^(Talk!) 02:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Nat Krause was the one treating this site as a debate site. The previous person was merely stating a fact.

Tibet became independent from China, and was then reconqured by the PRC. As the PRC and the ofrmer government are two different entities and two seperate armies were used, they count as seperate invasions.

Taiwan was accessible and strategically important, Tibet wasn't. America did try to act through the CIA, but that came to very little in the end.

82.34.112.4 15:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we are very aware of PRC re-writing history to whatever suits them at the moment. rudy 20:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

81.131.92.73 22:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC) And yes, we are all also very aware that exiled Tibetan are doing exactly the same thing. 28 Oct 06.

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[Editors who remove non-vandalistic talk, e.g, the following, w/o explanation, are candidates for being blocked, regardless of the merits of the deleted material. --Jerzy•t 11:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)]

Please see the incident report linked to below for explanation of why this link has been removed. --He:ah? 21:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to add an external link to the World of Biography entry probably the most famous portal of biography to this article. Does anybody have any objections?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jameswatt (talk • contribs) Revision as of 09:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

please do not add this to the article, and please read the incident report before giving the go-ahead. This is spam and not link-worthy under WP:EL; the articles contain many distortions, lack citations, and contain nothing that wouldn't fit directly in the wiki article. a link to worldofbiography has been placed on over 70 talk pages by User:Jameswatt. thanks. --He:ah? 21:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Spelling of the names of the Dalai Lamas

Note that the spellings on the list of previous and currents Dalais Lama was recently changed; the new spelling is according to the official PRC romanisation of Tibetan. The matter is being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (Tibetan), because it relates directly to the recently proposals for Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Tibetan). - Nat Krause^(Talk!) 23:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The changes by the anonymous user 138.110.75.90 (Mount Holyoke College) didn't make sense. He/she should have looked at the column headings. But I've changed the table again. I've removed the links from the official spellings and put them into the right column. —Babelfisch 01:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Chinese

I just want to say, the openning page of this site. The name of "Dalai Lama" written in Chinese two times, one in simplied Chinese and the other is traditional Chinese. I think it is irrelevant to write his name in Chinese. The original name is conferred on by Mongolian Altan Khan and it was in Mongolian. It is more suitable to write "Dalai Lama" in Mongolian language than in Chinese. The Chinese word "Dalai Lama" does not reflect anything and it does not have actual meaning of the title itself. I think this online database is invaded by colonial terms. -- 71.31.30.125 22:18, 5 June 2006

You make a reasonable point. I'm not sure why the Chinese should be included. - Nat Krause^(Talk!) 17:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It makes sense to include the Chinese because Tibet is today de facto a part of China and it is a useful piece of information. —Babelfisch 07:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Writing in Mongolian is making much more sense than in Chinese because Tibet-Mongolian relation which was termed as "Priest-Pratron Relation" or "Choe-Yon-Dral-Wa" is still alive since Mongolian kings and public adopted Buddhism as way of life. For example, Even before China occupied Tibet, there were Mongolian monks studying in the three great monateries of Tibet. Upon completion of study, they go back home and preach to the public. Even, today Mongolian public and monasteries have been sending monks to study in the replicas of three great monasteries of Tibet which are in India. Dalai Lama has been invited and greeted with much devotion as Tibetans have devotion in him. In this context, where does Chinese name fit? Isn't mongolian more suitable than Chinese?

Palden Kyab

In which case don't write it in English either because Dalai Lama has no meaning in English. JC 8 Sep 06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.60.106.5 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

194.60.106.5 13:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC) I should think most Mongolians have never seen an ocean (gyatso, dalai) and wouldn't know what it really is.

What are you trying to prove with your silly questions and comments? If you want to learn something about Buddhism go to a Buddhist discussion forum. We are trying to make an encyclopedia here. rudy 20:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

No thank you. Go and brainwash someone else. This is the discussion part of Wikipedia- the online Encyclopedia, where facts and truths may be discussed and challenged, so that the contents are balanced and correct to give the NPOV. By the way you don't own Wikipedia, so don't tell others what to do here. If you don't like it don't join in, because other people may find your comments extremely silly and naive. Is your attitude an example of lama buddhist 'tolerance'? 17 Nov 06.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.106.5 (talk)

Selecting the new Dalai Lama

What happens if the declared Dalai Lama's parents do not wish to let their child become Dalai Lama? Or this has never happened? --A Sunshade Lust 01:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the details, but I doubt this has ever happened. Generally, the search party would research all the details of the child's life, including his family, and so they would know if the family is religious. From a secular perspective, it would be foolish for them to choose a child whose parents would resist the idea. From a religious perspective, I imagine that it is assumed that the deceased lama will himself choose to be born into a family that believes in reincarnated lamas.—Nat Krause^(Talk!) 07:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Question, are the chosen Dalai Lamas taken from their families forever, never to be seen again? Are they allowed to see their birth parents and still treat them as family, or do they cut off all contact with them whatsoever? Help me out here with this one, guys, please, it's bugging me like crazy. --Jonathan.Bruce 11:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the links here you will find that the current dl's brother and sister are also high up in the organisation. So yes the family (in this current birth-cycle) is in contact, probably very close contact, as it seems to be a family business. Of course contact also depends on whether the dl's parents are still alive or not (or presumably whether they have been reborn into someone else after they died in the last life-cycle), and it would also depend on what you mean by birth parents because although the mother is defined, not all fathers are defined as in your tradition given the Tibetan system of polyandry. 27 Nov 06

Died Young

Why did so many of the Dalai Lamas die young? Is the spirit of Dalai Lama suicidal?

This is purely speculative of course, but some people say that intrigues tended to be very widespread in the highest circles in Tibet, and the use of poison was unfortunately well-known... rudy 22:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Vegetarian

Is the Dalai Lama a vegetarian?

No.—Nat Krause^(Talk!) 07:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hyperlink in article stated that dl has to eat meat because he became infected with hepatitis B. If this is true did he contract the disease during tantric activities (which other hyperlinks said is a part of lamaism)? 26 Oct 06 81.131.27.191 19:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

One gets hepatitis A usually from eating infected food or infected water; who knows if that was food or drink taken during a tantric practice or ceremony. If you think of sex, NO, a monk like the Dalai Lama is celibate. rudy 20:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The site said hepB not hepA. 194.60.106.5 12:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Links from references here certainly stated Tibetan lamas were/are very far from being celibate. See references to June Campbell. 194.60.106.5 12:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

People claim all kinds of things, and perhaps some have not been celibate, but were they monks? By definition in the monks vows, when they would have sex they are not monks anymore. Please don't try to project this kind of slander onto the Dalai Lama. rudy 20:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

But you still haven't answered the original question. The links here said dalai was told to eat meat (presumably to keep his body strong) because he had contracted hepB (not hepA). So how did he contract hepB? If this is not true, or if you don't actually know, why don't you say so? True Buddhist monks are not supposed to eat meat either, so is a meat eating Buddhist monk not a Buddist monk any more (like your example of sexually active monks)? In this day and age no public figure is beyond being questioned. Not answering a reasonable question serves only to implicate intrigue and conspiracy. Clinton had to answer for his personal activities whilst in office, so why should this be different for the dalai? 81.131.92.73 21:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I heard that the dalai lama isn't allowed to kill animals. But if he eats meat, isn't it a kind of dissaccord, because when somebody eats meat he kills indirect animals. Because of his demand somebody kills animals to accomodate the demand of animally food.

Well it is a common practice for Tibetan buddhist and monks to eat meat because in many places in Tibet is nearly impossible to live off the meager crop system. They take a vow to eat whatever they can collect from the townspeople and if that inclues meat then they will eat it. 216.145.194.156 00:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The argument against eating meat is it aids in suffering. But if the animal is already killed then are you heling with suffering? The debate ensues.

So it's OK to be a vulture in buddhism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.103.36 (talk) 23:01, 12 June 2007

Let me quote the Venerable Dhammika in his book titled, Good Questions, Good Answers,

"Devadatta (the cousin of the Buddha) told the Buddha there should be five more rules added to the fledgling code of conduct for bhikkhus. One of these five was that monks should no longer be permitted to eat meat or fish. The Buddha turned down this demand, stating monks should eat whatever is offered by the lay community. He said the only time they should refuse meat or fish from the laity was when it was killed for them; neither should they desire to kill for food themselves. The refusal of the Buddha to concede these demands led not only to the first schism in the sangha, but also led Devadatta, in his frustration at not being successful in starting his own sangha, to try to take the life of the Buddha."

Yes; and it's OK for Buddhist clergy to have sex too? Why because the Buddha himself had plenty of sex because he had many children. 81.158.47.214 16:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

If you haven't realised, the Buddha had one child and it was before he set out for enlightenment Jmlee369 22:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

It perhaps should be noted - for this discussion only, not in the article - that in the modern Korean tradition, some sects of Buddhist monks are allowed to marry, though it is preferred that both husband and wife are monk and nun. There are some temples throughout Korea that are seen over by monastic families - monk/nun father and mother, and their monk/nun childern. Some of these temples have some of the oldest Buddhist relics left in the country, especially around the northern areas of Jirisan. --Bentonia School 18:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

But they're not monks and nuns in the sense that they are bikshus/bikshunis. No matter how hard some may claim, they are not upholding the Vinaya and therefore have no status as 'monks and nuns' as the term is used in Buddhism. It is like in Japan where the term priest is used instead. Jmlee369 06:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Just proves that they are all ordinary human beings, like everyone else.81.155.103.36 12:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Reverted after vandalism.

Reverted after vandalism making false claims. The only reason I could see against this would be if, in fact, he is the world's "Foremost authority on the Rubik's cube" and can "Solve it in under 20 seconds"

--ReviewDude 18:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Divination

In a documentary about Tibetan oracles by David Cherniack (click here for high-bandwidth) it is shown how the Dalai Lama uses common sense, personal opinions, oracles and divination for dicision making purposes. Could something be added to this page? Wiki-uk 12:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't 'common sense', 'oracles' and 'divination' seem to contradict each other? 4 Dec 06.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.106.5 (talk)

Right, in this documentary the Dalai Lama states that he only uses these methods when there is a dilemma. He follows the 'middle way': he does not want to abolish the oracles completely (as they belong to the Tibetan culture), as this would be extreme, nor does he want rely totally on them, as this would be extreme as well. Wiki-uk 13:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This guy is a leader? Life is full of dilemmas. Personally for example: Do I walk to work today or do I take the bus, or should I walk half the way and take the bus for the other half? So this guy must spend all his days consulting oracles to 'help' him make decisions with his dilemmas. Executives in the rest of the world, please learn from this guy, unmuddle the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.106.5 (talk)

In fact, doesnt a deity, via oracle, 'sit' in the parliament-equivalent of tibetan goverment in exile? This community seems to give a great importance to oracles, now what one might think of this is quite irrelevant for an encyclopedia. Not that this comment is itself any more helpfull for the actual purpose of the discussion page - creating a better encyclopedia article...--83.131.147.153 00:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

What deity are you talking about?

The Head of Tibettan Buddhis or The (ex-)Head of Tibet?

Intro says, "The Dalai Lama is considered the supreme head of Tibetan Buddhism, and the leaders of all four schools consider the Dalai Lama to be the highest lama of the Tibetan traditions." As I understand it, he used to be the political head of state before the Chinese takeover. But he is not even the head of his own school. The above statement is highly suspicious so I added {{}}. If no verifiable source turns up, then, it will be deleted. Vapour

Minor Vandalism

I just stopped a minor vandalism in History, can somebody with more skill please revert this? 62.251.15.186 16:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC) LCV

Where is the vandalism? Khoikhoi 07:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Measure against vandalism

I took the liberty to sprotect this article against vandalism by people who are unregistered, as this page is vandalised several times per week; hope it helps...rudy 22:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand

Having read the article, I haven't a clue what the Dalai Lama is. I need this for a school project, and to me the language uses her is jibberish. It needs a good edit.

I second your motion. This article is surprisingly unencyclopedic. If I didn't have a broad background on the Dalai Lama, I wouldn't understand this article as it is a mere list of facts. --SvenGodo 19:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)