Talk:Crystal Palace F.C./GA1

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• I'll take a look at this one. Queries below Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• When the new owners took control of the club in 2010 they sought to put the fan's experience at the heart of future decisions. - hmmm, bit vague and fluffy. How about something like - "When the new owners took control of the club in 2010, they sought the fans' input into future decisions."
  • Done. Hiding T 14:19, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• Lead is a tad small - might want to add a little and reorganise.
  • I based the lede and the whole structure on Featured Articles such as Arsenal F.C., Aston Villa F.C. and especially Norwich City F.C. who are a comparable club. I've rewritten it but felt my first rewrite, which was built on the lede from the history article was too long, so I redrafted that trimming it to three paragraphs. What do you think? Hiding T 14:19, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
    • Latest/current version is about right. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:10, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

now where was I....hmmm.....more to come.....

• Link clubs and Allison in colours and crest section
  • Done here. Hiding T 21:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• Crystal Palace have a fan base drawn predominantly from the local area. - I am wondering whether this sentence is redundant as don't all clubs?? Maybe mention South London here.....
  • I've added info about Kent, Surrey and South London. Hiding T 21:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• Do the fans produce a newsletter/magazine(s)?
  • I have added fanzine information and internet forum information as the club use them to communicate with fans according to their charter. See this edit. Hiding T 21:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• Statistics and records section patchy. Should be lined up in a paragraph. A setnence or two of context for some of the examples can give it some flow.
  • Done in this edit. Hiding T 21:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
    • Much better. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok - looking good. I will double check prose and return. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:54, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• Some sourcing issues - need to source tags.
  • Done the Cannon one. Aki Riihilahti I have sourced to King. I'm struggling slightly with it, [1] and [2] contradict each other as well and soccerbase gives 30 when you add them all up. Actually, the club give 36, [3] so I'll add that as a source as well. Any thoughts? Hiding T 14:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
    • Oh bloody hell (facepalm) - I guess if you can actually count 30 somewhere then that is the best one to go with (also a more independent source). I guess it depends on how long being at the club was counted (i.e. signed vs playing (??)) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I'm really not sure what to do. It might be best to remove Aki altogether, because I'm also not clear what counts towards the caps either, whether it's competitive matches only or Friendlies count. I can't work out the origin of the 36 caps, whether King sourced from the club or the club sourced from King, and there doesn't seem to be an English Language definitive list of Finland squads. I'll remove it from this article for the time being. Hiding T 09:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
        • This might help. Mr Riihilahti's profile at the FA of Finland's website gives what should be a definitive list of his senior international appearances (the list of matches headed A-maaottelut). Any matches in that list played while he was registered with Palace would count towards his caps total, whether competitive or friendly, in the starting eleven or as a substitute, however few minutes. So long as he took the field, they count. General third-party stats sites like Soccerbase or ESPN are rarely accurate for international caps, apart from for current players for "big" countries. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
          • Thanks for that. That gives us another confirmation of 36 caps between 19 March 2001 and 8 May 2006. I'll add him back into the article now we have three sources and there's a chain of information. Hiding T 14:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

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Pass or Fail: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:42, 18 July 2013 (UTC)