Talk:Crisis in Venezuela/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Help please

Hello I added a segment requiring a source of a controversial claim which wasn't backed up in a adequate matter and now the user ZiaLater is undoing my post. I've explained why my edit looks the way it does as can be seen from the history down below. But ZiaLater still does not respond with a adequate source, which would be very easy if it was in fact published by the claimed newspaper, on youtube. I'll not yet remove the picture entierly but i might if ZiaLater are not able to provide a adequate source.

Crisis in Venezuela, history:

10:44, 2 October 2019‎ 185.65.135.177 talk‎ 202,847 bytes +116‎ Undid revision 918986388 by ZiaLater (talk) ZiaLater refuses to add reliable sources regarding these kinds of photos and videos in several articles. See talk page. curprev 07:06, 1 October 2019‎ ZiaLater talk contribs‎ 202,731 bytes -116‎ →‎Food and water undo curprev 09:58, 26 September 2019‎ 185.65.135.177 talk‎ 202,847 bytes +116‎ →‎Food and water: There is no reliable source available for the picture. undo

Almost the same thing goes on here. History on 2017 Venezuelan protests article curprev 07:05, 1 October 2019‎ ZiaLater talk contribs‎ 101,549 bytes -261‎ Single purpose IP. Undid revision 918203581 by 185.65.135.177 curprev 14:19, 27 September 2019‎ 185.65.135.177 talk‎ 101,810 bytes +261‎ Undid revision 918108124 by ZiaLater curprev 02:13, 27 September 2019‎ ZiaLater talk contribs‎ 101,549 bytes -261‎ Undid revision 917966058 by 185.65.135.177 curprev 10:18, 26 September 2019‎ 185.65.135.177 talk‎ 101,810 bytes +261‎ →‎Background: The source are inadequate. Anyone can start a youtube account and claim to be Mexicos sixth largest newspaper, who probably if they really decided to start a real channel specifically focusing on Venezuela get verified by youtube and have regular activity.

This would be much easier if ZiaLater just opted for using a reliable source for the information.

Thanks for any help in keeping wiki well cited, and kind regards.

185.65.135.177 (talk) 10:48, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

One file is provided by El Informador, a Venezuelan newspaper. The other file comes directly from a user who had experienced what was occurring in the photo. This seems like a case of WP:SPA and WP:IDL at best.----ZiaLater (talk) 06:05, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for responding. However, there is not a single piece of verification regarding this claim of yours, you just opted for the same questionable youtube channel without any additional info. That's not enough to verify it. As far as some individual person saying this or that, that isn't more reliable than just asking someone on the street if the person in mind isn't able to provide additional photos, with verifying structures geographically as well as material which actually proves that this is what is happening in these photos. The video itself might not be from Venezuela, but even so the relevancy of the material is redundant since poor people all over the western world eat from garbage regularly. This material is at best not relevant, and at worst not even from Venezuela.

Please provide information that's able to verify the claim. Have a great day! :)

185.65.135.171 (talk) 13:31, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Also your Single-purpose_account claim is not correct since I've done multiple edits on both this and lots of other pages. 185.65.135.171 (talk) 13:34, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@185.65.135.171: @185.65.135.177: Per WP:BRD, pleae refrain from keeping your preferred version before finding an agreement in this talk page. The issue regarding the verifiability of one of the pictures has already been explained at length when it was nominated for deletion. One can easily check in its description that the coordinates of where it was taken are already included, and I would love to go into detail about the verifiability of this and other images, but since you're the user that is removing sourced content the burden to demonstrate their not trustworthy lies on you. Please try to argue, based on Wikipedia's policies, why such content should not be included in the article. Insisting on implementing said changes is disruptive. --Jamez42 (talk) 00:14, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

The economic wars in Venezuela, China, and the Middle East caused by the United States of America

The "economic war" in Venezuela is to have the United States limit the power of Latin America. With United States debt increasing and invasions taking place in many parts of the world such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and other areas of the world, needless to say United States is this further limiting the power of the Middle East and China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.163.123 (talk) 21:57, 4 December 2019 (UTC)