Talk:Complete game

Sabremetrics[edit]

Sabermatricians think... Cy Young's record will never be broken. This is another non-neutrality violation. Sabremtrics is not competely accepted, so using this in a encyclopediac article (without citation no less) should not be done.)24.236.147.220 19:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MLB rulebook[edit]

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– Not in rulebook. Added another ref instead.—Bagumba (talk) 01:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this page needs a reference citation from the MLB rulebook for the exact definiton. (I was trying to research if a pitcher gets credit for a complete game if he was pinch hit for in the 9th but he pitched every inning for his team and found this incomplete and biased article.) 24.236.147.220 19:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It could try to answer some of the frequently-asked questions like that. WHPratt (talk) 16:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, please include an exact definition in the article. E.g. I want to know - is it a complete game, when the losing pitcher throws all 8 innings in an away game? --Christomir (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article says "the act of a pitcher pitching an entire game himself, without the benefit of a relief pitcher." Since there is no relief pitcher involved, a CG is awarded. I suppose adding a reference wouldn't hurt. Be bold and add it if you find one :-) —Bagumba (talk) 23:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I dont see a formal definition in MLB Rules, so it's probably assumed by MLB to be as simple as a game that is completed. —Bagumba (talk) 00:46, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Major League Baseball only?[edit]

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– Article seems to be only about MLB so far. It has now been clarified in the article.—Bagumba (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article starts off with a good short general-definition paragraph.

But, it then proceeds to apply the concept to only US top-level professional baseball, without acknowledging that narrow focus. What about minor leagues, Little League, and various leagues around the world? Is the same term used uniformly throughout the world? Aren't complete games more common in more amateur situations? -96.233.24.207 (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hair-splitting[edit]

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– Removed inaccurate statement that is also more relevant to Win–loss record (pitching) article —Bagumba (talk) 00:41, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"A complete game can be either a win or a loss."

It can be a tie, although that's more of a rarity all the time.

Warren Spahn threw a complete game in his first career start in 1942, but got neither win nor loss (nor tie) as the game resulted in a forfeit. As fate would have it, Spahn spent the next three years fighting World War II (and quite well, mind you), so that his career record was 0-0 with 1 CG until 1946. WHPratt (talk) 16:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. If a team was losing when the game is forfeited by the opponent, no win is awarded to a pitcher (though their team wins) http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2011/Official_Baseball_Rules.pdf p.91 10.03(e) —Bagumba (talk) 00:29, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Characteristics of Contemporary Complete Games[edit]

What prompts a manager to keep the pitcher in for a complete game? I would guess (1) a low pitch count or (2) a stellar performance. Dynzmoar (talk) 12:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]