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Nobel Prize[edit]

Nobel Prize's website says individuals connected to an organization awarded the Nobel Prize cannot claim to have personally won it. Is it then appropriate to say on this page that she's a Nobel laureate as a member on the panel?

Prof. HL Chow FRAS (talk) 23:17, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem that currently we say that She jointly received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 as a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which seems fine to me? It may be appropriate to move it farther down in the lead. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 23:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She is definitely not a Nobel Prize winner, although her contributions to the IPCC can be mentioned. The IPCC has made this perfectly clear. [1] See the phrasing for Michael E. Mann, to whom this statement was apparently directed. -ProhibitOnions ^(T) 07:20, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jew vs Jewish person[edit]

El C, I agree with Metaknowledge and the IP that "Jewish person" is a more natural phrasing than just "Jew", even if both are grammatically correct. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what they said, but whatever. El_C 22:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it would be more accurate to say that I personally think the above, and would agree to use "Jewish person" over "Jew" _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: Yes, it is what I said. The opposite of "awkward" in this context is "natural". I'm not going to revert again, because I don't know what the local rules are, but if you don't care, you should let someone change it back. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing wrong with the word "Jew", and it's insulting to imply otherwise. Jayjg ^(talk) 15:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awkward writing in the article[edit]

Are there any people out there with sufficient interest, command of English, and, perhaps, understanding of Mexican culture and politics to take on the task of editing this article? Some of the sentences are quite unclear due to problems with grammar and construction. Ms. Sheinbaum is a very important figure now in the leadup to Mexican elections, but I simply don't have enough understanding of many of the events discussed to do effective editing in many places. Thanks! Hanamizu (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Hanamizu. Can you give me an example of one of the sentences and maybe I can help. 2806:108E:12:1EB4:58C5:D6A1:21A6:7F7 (talk) 20:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Demolition of a chapel wall or demolition of a chapel?[edit]

The title seems enlarging issue, or, there was missing something from description? 116.48.233.74 (talk) 02:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The AP source has los funcionarios encargados de demoler la barda también destruyeron parte de la estructura de la capilla. Thanks. I'll change the wording to that. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New President of Mexico.[edit]

Just saw the news that she was declared the new President of Mexico. I look forward to this article being updated, and the 'b' rating upgraded. 2604:3D08:537B:3100:16B8:BCB7:930A:D2F7 (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide a source? David O. Johnson (talk) 03:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the vote count. Yes, she looks unstoppable, but only 2% of the ballots have been counted. The electoral authorities haven't given any statements yet, and I've not seen any news outlets calling it. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like people are jumping the gun and going off the preliminary results:

[2] David O. Johnson (talk) 06:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2024[edit]

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She's not the elected president of Mexico. She's still just a candidate. Wisi fernando (talk) 05:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this was a correct objection at the time, but as of this writing RS appear to be reporting that she has indeed been elected president, and by a rather decisive margin too.^[1]

Not done _signed,Rosguill ^talk 12:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Mexico elects Claudia Sheinbaum as its first female president". AP News. 2024-06-02. Retrieved 2024-06-03.

Maternal family escaping the Holocaust[edit]

As Bulgaria did not join Triple Alliance before May 1941 and did not take part in the Holocaust after that until the End of WWII there is no basis for the phrasing that the family "escaped" the Holocaust. Her mother was already born in June 1941 in Mexico. All the links lead to just one article in a dubious jewish homepage that does not deliver any quotable source. And even that source talks of "persecution of Jews" and not "the Holocaust". 93.240.133.2 (talk) 07:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They left the country so as to not become victims of the Holocaust and persecution. Its not a hard concept to grasp. The war was ongoing and it was not a safe time for Jewish people in Europe. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a synopsis of what Wikipedia says in The Holocaust in Bulgaria: Bulgaria administered the deportation of over 15,000 Jews in areas it occupied; all but a handful were murdered by Germany at Treblinka. Jews in Bulgaria itself were saved from that fate due to internal opposition. They were still subject to economic and social restrictions, then forcibly confined in ghettos and labor camps, with their possessions seized. To say that Bulgaria "did not take part in the Holocaust" is quite wrong. Yitz711 (talk) 12:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First president of a Jewish background?[edit]

Carlos Salinas de Gortari was recently naturalised as a Spanish citizen through his Sephardic Jewish heritage. [3] [4] Are we now going to have to play Who is a Jew? Do we have any objective evidence that one counts as having a "Jewish background" and the other doesn't? Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article on him doesn't really say anything about his or his parents being Jewish, perhaps it's an area that should be expanded? It's hard to know without more data or references on this whether this is a technicality that he just used to gain the European citizenship after genealogical research on his family's history, or if it was always a known thing in his family. I think there is a difference between a "background" that might be several generations back and not known, and someone who actively has identified and grown up with that identity or familial history. There are plenty of people that have different cultural, religious, or ethnic backgrounds many generations back in their families of one type or another. Centerone (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An overemphasis on Jewishness[edit]

The fact that she has a Jewish heritage seems to be overemphasized in the article. Is it relevant? Was it edited in by conspiracy theorists, (or by those who are uncomfortably Jew-focused given the recent middle east war), over time? Perhaps it deserves mentioning once in one sentence, or not at all. Unless it can be explained to me that it is relevant (for example was it a central part of her campaign that she herself emphasized this, and it is her ongoing emphasis as well)?

Jewish presidents[edit]

Israel of course. Mexico now and Spain soon in 2026. Murcia city has a leaving politician who is going national .he's Jewish but not immigrant mhesfrom Jews in Spain for generations . 84.126.83.173 (talk) 13:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I consider her religion to be irrelevant when saying that she is the first Jew to be president, it is as if I were saying "Biden is the second Catholic president of the United States." Rafaelosornio (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Mexico elects Claudia Sheinbaum as its first female president". AP News. 2024-06-02. Retrieved 2024-06-03.

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