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Archive 1

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1970s

The phrase In the mid to late 1970s, opinion within the bank was moving toward breaking the link with sterling and devaluing the Irish currency in order to limit inflationary effects from abroad does not make sense. Devaluation of the Irish currency would have led to higher inflation; only revaluation would have limited inflation, but it would also have made Irish exports less competitive. Which way was opinion going? --Rumping (talk) 10:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Undue weight issues

This article has been added on the NPOV noticeboard here : Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland#Criticism [CharlieEchoTango] 18:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Given the very serious economic difficulties that Ireland is suffering (with knock on effect for all of Europe) it is envitable that the Irish banking sector and the serious regulatory failings this organisation is guilty of, will generate adverse comment. The facts are not in dispute and are accepted by the new management, all politicians in the country, the media, the European Commission and its ultimate parent, the European Central Bank. The article is well referenced and while damning is unfortunately true and accurate. Great things are expected from the new management and in time they should be able to generate positive facts to balance the article.

Glic16 (talk) 21:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Your opinions are welcome, but not in the article. Stick to verifiable facts. See also WP:PEACOCK and WP:WEASEL. Highlighting certain issues in bold adds 'spin' - not encyclopaedic. See also WP:TONE. Chzz ► 07:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Images

There has been a bit of dispute about the images shown here;

They were recently removed by 194.46.173.103 (talk · contribs) [1]
They were re-added by 86.45.84.79 (talk · contribs) [2]
I removed them again [3]

Firstly, I must apologize that I used 'revert' - I should have explained more clearly.

I think the images are inappropriate, because they are not directly related to the topic, and are thus a form of illustrative original research. Wikipedia does not use images merely to make pages look pretty; they have to add to the encyclopaedic understanding of the article; these do not.

Images must be relevant to the article that they appear in and be significantly related to the article's topic. WP:IMAGE.

Chzz ► 18:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

My comments on this is that Ireland did suffering the biggest property collapse recorded in world economic history which brought down the banking system (a bubble), they do not allow entities that they regulate speak to the media about them without their prior authorisation, (the silence symbol) and the bailout of Depfa Bank cost Germany massive sums of money(the Brandenburg Gate). All relevant and approiate.Glic16 (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry - no, it is not relevant. A bubble is not 'significantly related' with CBFSA...you are being 'creative' - which is not appropriate for Wikipedia. We simply state facts; we do not embellish things. We don't illustrate articles to make them pretty; we only use images that add encyclopaedic value. It is opinion, not fact. You might compare it to a bubble, but I - for example - might compare it to a sausage. And presumably, you'd think, a picture of a sausage wouldn't be appropriate.

These type of images contravene WP:NPOV - one of the pillars of Wikipedia. There is absolutely no reason to link the org that that specific picture; having it in the article adds a bias, a slant.

I'm sure we can get others to comment here, if you think it necessary, but please consider this: Look at any good or featured article - do you see any images that are just for decoration? Chzz ► 07:23, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Your points are well made and while I disagree with them the adage "I do not agree with what you have to say, but will defend your right to say them" holds true. Given your obvious expertise I will leave the matter rest.

Glic16 (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Possibility of one more section

There needs to be a section on the architectural aspects of the current building of Central Bank of Ireland. It's design was supposed to be ahead of its time. I'd like to request anyone who's got specific info to prove this fact or deny it to please mention here. And add to the article if the sources are verifiable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.177.32 (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Use of non-free images on this article

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Central Bank Image

Not really liking the panoramic central bank image. It is rather distorted. Anyone else have an opinion? I suggest changing the image to this one from before or a better one.

DubhEire (talk)

I have changed to remove the panorama one, which was a vanity image for one editor. Snappy (talk) 08:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It wasn't great representation of the building. DubhEire (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

The Criticism section

The Criticism section is a bit lengthy so should be broken up. It also has coins randomly placed in there and wouldn't really be part of it. Perhaps the coins should be in a coin gallery at the end. Anyone feel like tidying this up to make it more readable. DubhEire (talk) 16:54, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the random images of coins as they have their own articles. The criticism section is way too big, it needs to be trimmed per WP:UNDUE. There should be some criticism but an article where this section overwhelms the rest of the article. Snappy (talk) 08:21, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

If no one else does it, I will get around to it myself at some future date. Perhaps deserves an article on it's own. Just haven't spent an age getting into it. DubhEire (talk) 22:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Move to Central Bank of Ireland

Given that since the commencement of the Central Bank Reform Act on October 1st (SI 469 of 2010) the offical name of this organisation and structure its has changed, should the name and structure of the article be updated to reflect this? Deathpool4 (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The "succeeded by" part of the infobox should be removed, including footnote 2. I don't think the Central Bank and Financial Services Authority still exists, but the article should make clearer that that was the name 2003-2010. --JBH23 (talk) 19:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

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The Criticism section (2)

This remains to have problems with WP:UNDUE. It's notable that all additions to this section come from a single user. Many of the citations do not cite the issue asserted in the article, some are completely irrelevant. It's particularly NPOV and should probably be summarised and merged into the chronological history. IRL246 (talk) 18:15, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

That section is crazy! It's more than twice as long as the rest of the article. It's also, as you say, written in a very POV way. Even for something that was primarily notable for being controversial that would be massively undue weight, but for something like the Central Bank of Ireland, that isn't hitting the headlines regularly for scandals, it's off the dial. My instinct would be to delete the lot as a first step. Anything truly relevant could be added, in a concise and NPOV way, into the History section. Scolaire (talk) 08:12, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Agree that where criticism is such that it merits inclusion in the article should be in the history section. Yieldcurve101 (talk) 14:33, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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Irrelevant sections

The sections under Criticism require enchancement

'Light Touch Regulation' - the majority of this paragraph is not related to the Central Bank. S110 of the TCA 1997 is regulation under the Revenue Commissioners, nothing to do with the Central Bank.

'Distorted Economic Data' again, nothing to do with the Central Bank

'Commercial Property Bubbles' although ICAVs are indeed a central bank authorised entity, the tax arrangements for these are nothing to do with the Central Bank.

Control of Total Credit - again this is the economy of Ireland rather than the Central Bank as a body Intermission 101 (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Criticism should relate to Central Bank of Ireland

This section refers to criticisms of Irish taxation (Mortgage Controls Post Crisis, Light-touch regulation and Commercial property bubbles), fiscal policy (Mortgage Controls Post Crisis) and the Irish national accounts (Distorted economic data and Control of total credit) The role of the central bank relates to financial regulation, monetary policy and financial stability. It does not cover taxation, fiscal policy and national accounts. These relate to the Irish government, parliament, Revenue, and CSO. Ballystrahan (talk) 07:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

The center

Ok; 86.40.220.97 (talk) 16:58, 9 November 2022 (UTC)