Talk:Bucharest Academy of Economic Studies

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I have changed the English names of some ASE departments. For example:

  • "Economic Informatics" sounds odd and I've replaced it with "Business Information Technology", although the wikilink points to Business Informatics. As stated in the article, Informatics covers a larger area and Information technology would be a more appropriate term. I guess the term Informatică Economică has its origins in the German Wirtschaftsinformatik and in this German dictionary the terms "(business) information systems/technology" were suggested.
  • "International Economic Relations" was another literal translation and I've replaced it with "International Trade".

Comments are welcome. Mentatus 09:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Official English name[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 17:49, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bucharest Academy of Economic Studies → Bucharest University of Economic Studies – Official English name Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC) Rgvis (talk) 10:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC) The official English name is The Bucharest University of Economic Studies - as per University Charter Art.1. Other details at Visual Identity Guide, page 4, Official webpage in English.[reply]

Oppose because usage favors the present title. 3910 Google Books hits for "'Academy of Economic Studies' Bucharest"; 25 for "'University of Economic Studies' Bucharest". Now, I know not every hit is equally reliable, but the magnitude of the difference is decisive. And plenty of sources of the highest calibre from just the last two years use the present name: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10].
Yes, it's true that the institution uses the proposed title as its official name in English. But per WP:UCN, common name trumps official name, and I do believe I've shown the present title to be the common one. - Biruitorul Talk 14:48, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When you use a search engine, it depends what exactly you are typing in; so, in this case, for Bucharest University of Economic Studies there are 433,000 results vs typing Bucharest Academy of Economic Studies, with only 273,000 results!

And, for your example with Google Books, the results, actually, are 4060 vs. 4220.

As for Bing, we have: 17,100,000 Results (for Bucharest University of Economic Studies) vs. 76,800 Results (for Bucharest Academy of Economic Studies).

But, a real and relevant example is the official National Bank of Romania numismatic issue dedicated to the centennial anniversary (2013) of the institution using (in English) the "Bucharest University Economic Studies" name: [11]

Stamps (Romfilatelia) dedicated to the same event: [12], 100 Years – The Bucharest University of Economic Studies stamp from Romania

Another important example is the official Evaluation Report of the European University Association, from December 2012, (the report can be downloaded from [13]).

Books and publications: [14], [15], [16], [17], [18].

Promotion of international conferences: [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], etc..

Indeed, the name "Academy" has been used as a literal translation from Romanian, but it is very clear that, nowadays, the institution prefer the terminology that uses "University" instead of "Academy".

Thank you, (Rgvis (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2013 (UTC))[reply]

1) You may want to put quotes around your search terms to eliminate extraneous results. That leaves us with 676,000 for "Academy" versus 121,000 for "University". The score is 76 to 16 in Books, but my own result of 3910 to 25 is more relevant, since many sources call it by slight variations: "Academy of Economic Studies, Bucharest", "Academy of Economic Studies from Bucharest", "Academy of Economic Studies in Bucharest", etc.
2) It's great that the National Bank of Romania, Poșta Română and various other entities use your preferred title, which indeed appears to be preferred by the school itself, but again, let's quote WP:UCN: "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural... Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." The volume of reliable sources still favors "Academy". - Biruitorul Talk 20:27, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are many examples of pages on Wikipedia that uses "Official names" instead of "most commonly used" (University of the Arts London vs London Institute, Henri Coandă Airport vs Otopeni Airport, etc., etc...), but, in this case, the reality is that we have used a terminology based on literal translation, since there was no official translation.

And, right now, one of the most important facts is that the most commonly name used in the last year (in English) is the official English name of the institution (Bucharest University of Economic Studies), as it can be seen (an obvious tendency) more and more used in international conferences, new books, articles, and so on.

Thank you, (Rgvis (talk) 22:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC))[reply]

About those two examples, Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Naming (Airports) says (point 2) the common name still may take precedence. As for universities, we naturally don't have Leland Stanford Junior University as a title.
The last year doesn't necessarily dictate; there has to be a longer-term trend. That's why, even if the Ukrainian government insists on "Kyiv", which has in fact been gaining prominence in the last twenty years, we still use Kiev.
Overall use still favors "Academy", and aside from the books I pointed out, I can cite any number of conferences, CVs and papers from the past year using the term: [29], [30], [31], [32], [33]. - Biruitorul Talk 22:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your examples (with "Kiev", "Stanford University", etc.) are not similar with what we have in our case. "University" is a common word in English ( as well as "Academy"), and once the institution (recently) introduced in its charter (the Constitution of the institution), from the beginning, in the first article (Art.1.1) this special (and unique or unusual) statement about the name in English language (as being a University and not an Academy), it is very clear why they did it.

Thank you, (Rgvis (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC))[reply]

The Academy/University has the right to select whatever English-language name it desires for itself. But we are in no way bound by that selection; we have our own policies that dictate what name gets used. Those are based primarily on common usage, with official status being at best a secondary consideration. - Biruitorul Talk 16:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, they do make the difference between "Academy" and "University":

"Established by Royal Decree on April 6, 1913, under the name of the Academy of High Commercial and Industrial Studies, the Bucharest University of Economic Studies is celebrating a century of existence."[34]

Thank you, (Rgvis (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC))[reply]

  • Relisting comment Other perspectives are welcome, and all should keep in mind that we don't necessarily title our articles by official names. --BDD (talk) 18:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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