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Requested move 18 December 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved: doing the dab now. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 02:23, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Brexit (film) → Brexit: The Uncivil War – Actual name. Unreal7 (talk) 21:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where’s the source for that? The trailer didn’t feature a subtitle. Rusted AutoParts 21:23, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is it with Americans constantly thinking everything shown on American channels is made by them? It's funded by channel 4, produced by channel 4 and House Productions (which is also British), and is going to premiere on Channel 4 where it is titled Brexit: The Uncivil War. How about all you non-Brits look at the real "official trailer" by Channel 4.^[1]^[2]^[3] Danstarr69 (talk) 22:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what the implication with your first sentence is, but the basis was centered around the trailer released via HBO not including anything other than Brexit as the title. The Channel 4 citation will work but the trailer appears to be restricted outside its region. At least for me it is. Rusted AutoParts 22:49, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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First source is most reliable. Rusted AutoParts 22:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Channel 4 site. Rusted AutoParts 22:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rusted AutoParts It's showing my annoyance as I have these conversations with Americans a lot on the less strict website Quora. I'm constantly correcting people who think British shows are solely American, even when most of them are distributors only, and in the rare cases they do realise they're British shows, they're automatically labelled as BBC shows when they aren't. That's why I've started creating some lists of shows from the other networks to get my point across, when they refuse to be corrected.

Recently I noticed List of The Ricky Gervais Show (TV series) episodes article intro says "made for HBO" rather than "made for Channel 4 and HBO". There's many more articles I've noticed in the last year like that with regards to being British and American co-productions being labelled solely American shows, when most of the time they're just distributors. Danstarr69 (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Rreagan007 (talk) 00:00, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "First look trailer for Brexit drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch | Channel 4". www.channel4.com. Retrieved 2018-12-18.
^ "Brexit: The Uncivil War on Channel 4: Everything you need to know about the new drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch". Radio Times. Retrieved 2018-12-18.
^ "Controversial Brexit drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch to air on Channel 4 before its US broadcast on HBO". Radio Times. Retrieved 2018-12-18.

About to close as moved, but question: P i n ging participants: consensus appears to be for the move but what should become of the page Brexit (film)? Should it redirect to Brexit: The Uncivil War or Brexit: The Movie. I'd be inclined to turn it into a disambiguation page until a clear primary topic emerges, but what are the thoughts on this? Many thanks, SITH (talk) 15:32, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Brexit: The Uncivil War. That seems to be the title Channel 4 is using, but I’m now seeing IMDB, which had it as such as well, has dropped it and it’s just Brexit in there. But consensus is to move it to Brexit: The Uncivil War. Rusted AutoParts 15:56, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Rusted AutoParts: I mean there are two films about Brexit but neither of them are titled Brexit so either we make a disambiguation page, decide which one is the primary topic, or simply delete "Brexit (film)". SITH (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move this page to Brexit: The Uncivil War than turn the remaining redirect into a disambiguation page. Rusted AutoParts 21:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding the move[edit]

The discussion was closed while I was writing this, so decided to copy and paste it anyway. Support SITH like Rusted AutoParts I'd redirect the old Brexit (film) page to the new Brexit: The Uncivil War page. Brexit: The Movie is a separate film, so there is a need for a disambiguation page for at least 3 Brexit subjects in the film, the documentary and the event itself. As for IMDB I sent a request to change the name on the 18th. I've just checked the page now, and it has been accepted and the name has been changed to Brexit: The Uncivil War on the British version of IMDB. Five months ago I thought IMDB were displaying a very old name for another British show which has been running for nearly 50 years rather than the current name, but it turned out it was just because I had changed my preferences a few months earlier to "Original title" which I thought would have included the current name in it's country of origin, but it didn't. I had to change my title preferences to "United Kingdom" to see the current name of the show, and haven't changed my preferences since. Therefore the name has definitely changed on IMDB if there's anyone in doubt. Danstarr69 (talk) 02:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dual names, Brexit: The Uncivil War and Brexit (2019)[edit]

Seems that they have formally released the film in the UK via Channel 4 under the title Brexit: The Uncivil War. However, in the US, HBO is using Brexit (2019). IMDb register both names and list Brexit: The Uncivil War as the "original title" but use Brexit (2019) as the main title, while Rotten Tomatoes seems to only use Brexit (2019). I have set up Brexit (2019) to redirect to Brexit: The Uncivil War and noted the existence of both names in the lede. Britishfinance (talk) 15:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Its HBO page uses Brexit without 2019 in parentheses. Farras (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Brexit: The Uncivil War is the real actual title. Given that HBO was not a co-producer, whatever title it chose to use comes very far down the list of importance. We should not get bogged down by what various secondary market broadcasters may decide to call it. Nick Cooper (talk) 17:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Film or Television[edit]

Editors, in good faith, keep on changing the infobox from television to film and back. Is there a consensus here on what is the right infobox? Britishfinance (talk) 14:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The perennial problem is obviously that British television does not define one-off dramas as "films," but simply as dramas (or comedies, as the case may be). On Channel 4, B:TUW was simply a on-off drama programme. Nick Cooper (talk) 21:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we come to a consensus as to whether it is a Film or TV infobox? Britishfinance (talk) 22:10, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From a British perspective - which is the country of origin - it's a TV programme. Nick Cooper (talk) 11:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support using the TV infobox. Britishfinance (talk) 11:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. From a British perspective, it is a film. I am British, and it's a film. And the British press agrees with me. [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] 90.249.251.125 (talk) 22:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Per Ip editor above. Convincing arguement. Too confusing for me. Britishfinance (talk) 14:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Having checked further, previously there was a Template:Infobox television film, but this is now redundant. The instructions there clearly state:

"As a result of this discussion, in May 2015 this infobox was merged with {{Infobox television}} which has a different parameter set to {{Infobox film}}. For television films, use {{Infobox television}}. For theatrical release films use {{Infobox film}}. If a television film incorrectly uses {{Infobox film}} it will be necessary to change some parameters to ensure the correct parameter set is used."

Notwithstanding the fact that most one-off British TV dramas are not referred to as "films," even accepting the American definition, we should still be using the TV infobox. Nick Cooper (talk) 17:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay Nick Cooper. I withdraw my opposition vote given your comments. I will leave it to you to decide. Whatever produces a stable result as this infobox has been swapped from film to tv a few times now (maybe leave a note above the infobox for editors not to swap to film based on Talk Page?). thanks and appreciate your perseverance to get to the right answer! cheers Britishfinance (talk) 19:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "First look trailer for Brexit drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch | Channel 4". www.channel4.com. Retrieved 2018-12-18.

[2] "Brexit: The Uncivil War on Channel 4: Everything you need to know about the new drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch". Radio Times. Retrieved 2018-12-18.

[3] "Controversial Brexit drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch to air on Channel 4 before its US broadcast on HBO". Radio Times. Retrieved 2018-12-18.

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