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Name

Like most Burmese, Aung San Suu Kyi doesn't have a surname. Thus it is technically incorrect to refer to her as "Suu Kyi", as we currently do throughout this article. WP:BURMESE says "when referring to Burmese people in Wikipedia articles, you should always use the full form of the person's name." This issue was previously discussed here way back in 2006. At the time, 2 editors expressed support for using "Suu Kyi" and 2 editors expressed opposition. I think enough time has passed to justify revisiting the issue, especially since WP:BURMESE didn't exist then. Kaldari (talk) 03:34, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I suspect this is because she is widely referred to as simply "Suu Kyi" in the media (see e.g. BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera etc). Number 57 08:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
All of those instances postdate our usage here. Is there evidence that she was commonly referred to as Suu Kyi before we started doing it here? We shouldn't underestimate Wikipedia's ability to propagate bad usage. Kaldari (talk) 18:59, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
@Kaldari: Yes, it predates Wikipedia by some way. See these articles on the BBC from 1999. Number 57 15:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Aung San Suu kyi

Myanmar leader Aung Sa Suu Kyi, the Nobel Peace Prize for the repatriation of thousands of people have signed an online petition.

Myanmar against the Rohingya minority to take a position with regard to the widespread human rights violations for failing to back his Nobel Peace Prize, called the petition. Meanwhile, millions of people signed the petition to change the dot-arge. Indonesia is believed to have been informed of this request.

According to the petition, "who worked to preserve international peace and brotherhood, they were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Like Suu Kyi, who received the award, they will protect you until the last day of the values, that is to be expected. When a Nobel Peace Prize If the winner fails to protect the peace, for the sake of peace, he should be awarded the Nobel peace prize Committee is seized or taken away. "

The continuous persecution of the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar's Aung Sa Suu Kyi has been criticized for his silent role. He even urged the US ambassador to the Rohingyas, who are not referred to by this name.

Suu Kyi, a Nobel Peace Prize arge Change dot at the beginning of the withdrawal of the application, a BBC journalist Mishal Husain He noted that the ghatanarao is mentioned.

In this interview given to the BBC's Mishal Hussain, Aung San Suu Kyi in Myanmar's Rohingya Muslims had to face a lot of unpleasant and difficult question.

After the interview, Aung Sa Suu Kyi 013 or commented, "and (Mishal Husain) said to me before that a Muslim man."

According to the petition, Myanmar's democracy leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi is to face when you hear it, it was then surprised many.

Indonesia Aung San Suu Kyi, the people of the world respect for its peaceful democratic movements are called to tell, but these kinds of comments, many people are angry and disappointed. What about the attitude of the Muslim minority in Myanmar's Suu Kyi, he raises many questions.

The winner of the Nobel Peace Prize from the mouth of 'racist' is heard, then the democratic values ​​of respect to people of different faith teaches, it collapsed.

Norway's Nobel Peace Committee, who gives this award, their petition demanded the withdrawal of the award. It is committed to maintaining world peace and those who should be awarded only Tawhid khan 13 (talk) 22:54, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2016

I would like to add Aung San Suu Kyi' travel timeline. Following are her travel timeline.

2012 September 15: USA (a few States) November 14: India June 27: France June 20: UK June 18: Ireland June 16: Norway June 14: Switzerland (first tour of Europe) May 30: Thailand (Thai-Burma border in Tak Province as well)

2013 Jan 25: USA (Hawaii) Jan 29: South Korean (Soul) April 13: Japan (Tokyo) April 29: Mongolia September 11: Poland (second tour of Europe) September 13: Hungarian September 14: Czech Republic September 20: Singapore October 19: Belgium (third tour of Europe) October 21:Luxembourg October 22: Strasbourg, France October 25: UK October 27: Rome, Italy November 27: Australia December 10: Qatar

2014: April 10: Germany (fourth tour of Europe) April 14: France

2015 June 10: Beijing, China

2016: May 7: Lao June 23: Thailand Sep 6: Vientiane, Laos Sep 14: USA November : Japan October: India Dec : Singapore Dec : Indonesia Myanmar-editor (talk) 08:31, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:18, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

War crimes

Since coming to Power Aung San Suu Kyi has been accused of being complacent in the war crimes allegedly occurring in Myanmar. See the BBC article here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38756601?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook. Why has this not been mentioned? Necropolis Hill (talk) 02:59, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Eligible to be PM after 1990 elections or not? Article is very unclear

The article is not clear whether she was eligible to be PM after the 1990 election. It says "as she was not permitted, she did not stand as a candidate in the elections", but it's not clear what she was not permitted to do. There is then the statement "being a member of parliament is not a strict prerequisite for becoming prime minister in most parliamentary systems" but I believe that is irrelevant; the only relevant question is whether a non-MP could be PM in Myanmar/Burma in 1990. Anyway, it would be good if this could be clarified by someone who knows. Adpete (talk) 06:23, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Transcription of her name

I'm looking at the article on the MLC Transcription System and, still, I can't figure out why the transcription of the syllable usually rendered "Kyi" in English, phonetically [tɕì], would be "krany" in MLC. Is that right, or is it a long-standing typo that no one has corrected? Largoplazo (talk) 10:23, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Noteworthy petition?

While online petitions aren't necessarily noteworthy, George Monbiot has now put his weight behind the one to have Aung San Suu Kyi’s Nobel Prize revoked, in a comprehensively researched op-ed in The Guardian. Do other editors share my feeling that this is significant enough to warrant inclusion? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 10:57, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it should be included in the article section. But, IMO, it is better integrated to the section than lumping into lead section. There are my reasons in above section. Thank you. --Phyo WP (message) 12:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Agreed: if it belongs anywhere, it should be in the section Response to violence against Rohingya Muslims and refugees ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 15:12, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Reliable sources have quoted the Nobel stance that prizes can not be rescinded for any reason. While certainly her position as a highly visible Burmese human rights activist among the current Rohingya crisis is noteworthy, the petitioning is not leadworthy. Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 20:28, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that it has been suggested here that the petition warrants inclusion in the lead - but I would be happy to see it mentioned in the relevant section, as mentioned by dom Kaos. JezGrove (talk) 20:43, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ashfaq Ahmed (talk) 16:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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Rohingya

I think the lead should include a statement about controversy over her handling of the Rohingya controversy. Recently, it has become a major part of her public image. And if we're excluding it, I see no reason to devote a paragraph that lists her honors when they're already listed later in the article. Fixed245 (talk) 04:47, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I agree to remove her honors in lead section except Nobel Peace Prize and a brief mentioning of The Elders. Phyo WP (message) 05:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Ok. I agree to include only the most notable awards and skip the rest. Dr. K. 05:26, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, the lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. Well-publicized recent events affecting a subject, whether controversial or not, should be kept in historical perspective. What is most recent is not necessarily what is most notable. It should be included in the normal biographical sections they occur in, in this article. Thank you. Phyo WP (message) 18:58, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Mar4d, called for her Nobel prize to be revoked should be added to appropriate section, and what is your reference for many ( I found only some). I don't think it is WP:DUE for coverage in lead section per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Activists called to revoke the Nobel Prize of other politicians (eg. Barack Obama, Yasir Arafat, Yitzhak Rabin, etc) but these are not mentioned in the lead section of the articles. IMO, same rationale should apply in this article. Thank you. --Phyo WP (message) 10:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
@Phyo WP: The purpose of a WP:LEAD, as stated, is to concisely and in a non-biased manner "summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight", with reference to any most important points, including any prominent controversies. The previous version as you can see is inadequate and falls well short of that. Since you mentioned Obama, Arafat, and Rabin, I would note that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; however even those articles' leads appropriately summarize major controversies/criticism. Indeed that applies to most political leaders. While this article's lead is heavily skewed towards Suu Kyi's activism and political career, it contained nothing about her controversial views on the Rohingya crisis which go back to 2013. This despite there being a big section devoted to exactly that. The Nobel prize controversy isn't very recent, it's been recurrent since the last couple of years, and it is well-covered across all reliable sources. Therefore, to not mention the controversy attached to her award and views on the Rohingya crisis is WP:UNDUE, given how prominent it is. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 12:59, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
With all due respect, but I found no major controversies/criticism in lead section of Barack Obama, Yitzhak Rabin, Hillary Clinton, and some comparable FA/GA articles. There were many controversies in her long career/political history. IMO, it is not a good idea to give undue attention to one controversy in the lead section, and I think it can be better integrated than lumping into lead section.
In regarding Nobel prize to be revoked, please show some references for isn't very recent, it's been recurrent since the last couple of years, and it is well-covered and many critics have called in the article (as I found only some). According to the given references, the recent call to revoke the prize is not majority POV (an online petition and protests) and not notable enough to mention in BLP article lead section (footnote). My two cents. --Phyo WP (message) 16:35, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Of course it's notable enough. Media coverage has been immense in recent weeks. Frankly, you have no credibility on this issue; you've consistently sought to minimize or eliminate all references to her handling of the Rohingya crisis. That leads me to conclude that you have an agenda. Fixed245 (talk) 01:25, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
When a user with 134 edits 6 month old accuses a user with 9000 edits 6 years old in having an agenda it is laughable.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:41, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Rohingya, in light of media attention

Now that media coverage on Suu Kyi has, for the last few months, almost exclusively focused on her handling of the Rohingya issue, it's time to re-evaluate whether a statement addressing the relevant controversy belongs in the lead. Fixed245 (talk) 06:17, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely some statement belongs in the lead by this stage. Dan the Plumber (talk) 22:50, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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Controversy section

The controversy section is not in line with Wikipedia's policies. The content should be introduced into her career section, as it is pertinent to her reign in that country. Beyond not being in line with policy, the side-effect is the reduction of her involvement with a genocide to a less substantial role on the page than should likely be merited by choice of structure rather than thoughtful decision. 67.69.131.130 (talk) 06:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

  • The controversy section has now been merged into her political career. starship.paint ~ KO 14:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

"Self pity" paragraph

Quote: "On 2 May 2008, after Cyclone Nargis hit Burma, Suu Kyi lost the roof of her house and lived in virtual darkness after losing electricity in her dilapidated lakeside residence. She used candles at night as she was not provided any generator set.[32] Plans to renovate and repair the house were announced in August 2009.[33]"

What is this? Some sort of poetic self pity crybaby? Millions of people lived without electricity, and Suu Kyi's case is nothing special, it was caused by natural disaster for pete's sake. I propose this shameful paragraph removed as it contains potentially biased statement ("dilapidated", "virtual darkness") and doesn't belong to useful constructive information regarding Suu Kyi. 36.81.95.167 (talk) 05:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I believe this happened during the time she was still under house arrest, correct? If so, it would pertain to the bad conditions under which she was held prisoner, which is relevant. But the paragraph should be trimmed a little by removing some redundancies. I think one sentence should be enough, perhaps integrating with another paragraph.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 13:19, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Not everything in that sentence was sourced. I will be trimming the unsourced parts. starship.paint ~ KO 08:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Daw Khin Kyi Foundation

The foundation appears to have no notability independent of its founder. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:10, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2018

PLEASE REPLACE:

U2's Bono wrote the song "Walk On" in tribute to Aung San Suu Kyi, and publicized her plight during the U2 360° Tour, 2009-2011. Saxophonist Wayne Shorter composed a song titled "Aung San Suu Kyi". It appears on his albums 1 + 1 (with pianist Herbie Hancock) and Footprints Live!.[1]

WITH THIS (addition of information to the "In Popular Culture" section):

Irish songwriters Damien Rice and Lisa Hannigan released in 2005 the single "Unplayed Piano", in support of the Free Aung San Suu Kyi 60th Birthday Campaign that was happening at the time.Cite error: The <ref> tag has too many names (see the help page).

U2's Bono wrote the song "Walk On" in tribute to Aung San Suu Kyi, and publicized her plight during the U2 360° Tour, 2009-2011. Saxophonist Wayne Shorter composed a song titled "Aung San Suu Kyi". It appears on his albums 1 + 1 (with pianist Herbie Hancock) and Footprints Live!.[2] Mfuhlendorf (talk) 05:22, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Aung San Suu Kyi and Bono discuss U2's song Walk On - 2012-06-18". bbc.com. Retrieved 12 November 2015.
  2. ^ "Aung San Suu Kyi and Bono discuss U2's song Walk On - 2012-06-18". bbc.com. Retrieved 12 November 2015.
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Outdated language in 2010 Release section

I've tagged the sentence "The role that Aung San Suu Kyi will play in the future of democracy in Burma remains a subject of much debate" as being out of date, but it's also an unsourced editorial assertion that should probably be removed. Thoughts? Matuko (talk) 22:49, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Peace Talk at Pakkoku

Peace Talk at Pakkoku

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Obamoe (talk • contribs) 07:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

home visit

I am an oldlady of 82. My dearest wish is to visit Rangoonbefore I visit the Good Lord Above!!! My Father was a Scotsman who came to Burma and opened a retail business with another Scotsman and the project was called GEMMIL & Kennedy. I am Sally Kennedy the youngest of 6 children and we were ALL born in Rangoon. My Mother was Ena Kennedy nee Fowle. SHE was half Burmese, her mother was Burmese. We moved to India when the Japs invaded Burma and then to England after the war, I now reside in East Sussex. , — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.229.205 (talk) 14:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Great source to add to the article

Reuters take on what's happened to her: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/myanmar-suukyi-history/--A21sauce (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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Link change

Consider changing

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As this is the correct name of the institution

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aung san su kyi

dear sir,

I here by correction Daw Aung Su Kyi is still in State Counselor of the Union of Myanmar.( not a former State Conselor ) on 1st of Feburary 2021 military chief of staff general Min Aung Hling force to occupied and detain Daw San Su Kyi. So she is a still peoples well known in their heart as a Myanmar leader. thank you for your attention.

respectfully yours.

Edwin Aung Than. NY. USA February 14 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.58.235 (talk) 01:35, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2021

Aung San Suu Kyi is the Current State Counsellor of Myanmar and not former State Counsellor of Myanmar. Thang William (talk) 11:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: the position has been vacant since her arrest, the article is correct. Volteer1 (talk) 13:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Hey Nankmz I reverted your edit for similar reason reason. Suu Kyi is not a state counselor now in any meaningful way. Of course if/when the situation changes, we can update that. Wikipedia is not here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. I tagged you, because I know your edit was in good faith, and happy to hear back from you. Shushugah (talk) 15:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2021

She was re-elected as the State Counselor on Feb 9, 2021 by the Committee Representing Pyithu Hluttaw. Therefore, she is currently the official State Counselor of the Republic of the Union of Myanmar. NCLMKK (talk) 02:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: She is currently under arrest following the coup, and is thus no longer in office. It doesn't matter if that is unfair or illegal. Wikipedia is not here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. ― Tartan357 Talk 02:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2021 (2)

She is current state counselor Sithupeter (talk) 02:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See directly above. ― Tartan357 Talk 02:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2021 (3)

I want to edit her position. She is a current state counsellor of Myanmar. Min Aung Hlaing stole the country from people at February night. The whole world know about that. Please edit her position from Former to Current. Thanks 05:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See directly above. ― Tartan357 Talk 05:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2021 (4)

2001:8003:9446:BB01:DDD9:1F68:4747:61C4 (talk) 10:03, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

office = State Counsellor of Myanmar | president = Htin Kyaw
Win Myint | term_start = 6 April 2016 | term_end = Current | predecessor = Thein Sein (as Prime Minister) | successor = [Min Aung Hlaing]] (as Chairman of the State Administration Council)(Not recognised by International Community and people of Myanmar as the head of state.He breached 2008 constitution.

 Not done: See directly above. ― Tartan357 Talk 12:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2021 (5)

Aung San Suu Kyi is still state counselor of Myanmar and we the people of Myanmar do not acknowledge current dictator Senior General Min Aung Hlaing. Government lead by Senior General Min Aung Hlaing is illegitimates and international communities do not acknowledge the formation of this government. Same for our President U Win Myint. 203.81.71.186 (talk) 11:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See directly above. ― Tartan357 Talk 12:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Possible military coup

See Guardian article, NLD party members detained including president ~ Shushugah (talk) 23:45, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Shushugah, it appears that is is being widely reported. I support including this information in the article given the citation and other reports. See [1] Jurisdicta (talk) 18:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2021

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2011–present | style="width: 30%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1"|Incumbent |- Amnandy (talk) 05:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Amnandy: I have removed your multiple identical requests. Please do not do this, it won't influence editors to implement your request and is more likely to result in the request being denied.
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2021

There are wrong information between 2016-2021 under photo column. Please correct them. Kyeloern (talk) 11:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 54nd60x (talk) 14:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2021

In office 6 April 2016 – 1 February 2021

to

In office 6 April 2016 – Current Fridayjune (talk) 10:25, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
I am sorry that there was a coup in Myanmar, but that is the reality. Wikipedia represents things as they are, not as we want them to be. The fact is that Aung San Suu Kyi is no longer in office; it doesn't matter if that is unfair, illegal, etc. It's just a fact. ― Tartan357 Talk 16:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Aung San Suu Kyi is still a State Counsellor of Myanmar and Minister for Foreign Affairs according to these sources: the United Nations Protocol[1]; the Myanmar 2008 Constitution[2]; and the State Counsellor Bill[3][4]. Please don't second-guess; use reliable materials from credible source. Dhawell.hlugalay (talk) 02:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Dhawell.hlugalay, I'm not sure what you think I'm "second-guessing". There is an abundance of reliable sources covering the coup: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. ― Tartan357 Talk 02:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
@1234qwer1234qwer4 and Dhawell.hlugalay: I've got this article watchlisted. Don't edit war otherwise I will be locking the article and issuing article blocks. Mjroots (talk) 06:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Mjroots, Dhawell.hlugalay has been indefinitely blocked by El_C for inserting fabrications. WP:V is of greatest importance here; it is an extremely well-established fact that the elected government in Myanmar was overthrown and that Aung San Suu Kyi is no longer State Counsellor. Stating she's still State Counsellor would be akin to stating Donald Trump is still President in the U.S. because the election was stolen from him. It's purely tendentious editing without any basis in reality, and should be treated as vandalism. I issued {{uw-error}} warnings and El_C blocked this editor when they were not heeded. ― Tartan357 Talk 06:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Apologies, 1234qwer1234qwer4. That should have been aimed at Tartan357. It's early and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Tartan, looks like no further action is needed in this case. Mjroots (talk) 06:52, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "United Nations Protocol and Liaison Service" (PDF). Archived (PDF) from the original on 28 Jan 2021. Retrieved 20 Feb 2021.
  2. ^ "Constitution of the Republic of the Union of Myanmar (2008)" (PDF). Archived (PDF) from the original on 17 February 2021. Retrieved 20 February 2021.
  3. ^ "Pyidaungsu Hluttaw Law No. 26/2016 - State Counsellor of Myanmar (in Burmese)" (PDF). Archived (PDF) from the original on 29 August 2019. Retrieved 20 February 2021.
  4. ^ "President signs State Counsellor Bill into law". 7 April 2016. Archived from the original on 2 February 2021. ...The term of the office for the State Counsellor is equal to the term of the president...

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2021

Lovedragon26 (talk) 06:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

She is still state councillor. (check UN officially page)

Min Aung Hlaing is not successor, but is a criminal

 Not done: She was removed from office in the 2021 Myanmar coup d'état. I am sorry that there was a coup in Myanmar, but that is the reality. Wikipedia represents things as they are, not as we want them to be. The fact is that Aung San Suu Kyi is no longer in office; it doesn't matter if that is unfair, illegal, etc. It's just a fact. ― Tartan357 Talk 06:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Change the history about Aung Sann Suu Kyi

Old text

"Aung San Suu Kyi (/aʊŋ ˌsɑːn suː ˈtʃiː/;[3] Burmese: အောင်ဆန်းစုကြည်; MLCTS: aung hcan: cu. krany Burmese pronunciation: [àʊɰ̃ sʰáɰ̃ sṵ tɕì]; born 19 June 1945) is a Burmese politician, diplomat, author, and a 1991 Nobel Peace Prize laureate who served as State Counsellor of Myanmar (equivalent to a prime minister) and Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2016 to 2021. She has served as the president of the National League for Democracy (NLD) since 2011, having been the General Secretary from 1988 to 2011. She played a vital role in Myanmar's transition from military junta to partial democracy in the 2010s."

New Test

"Aung San Suu Kyi (/aʊŋ ˌsɑːn suː ˈtʃiː/;[3] Burmese: အောင်ဆန်းစုကြည်; MLCTS: aung hcan: cu. krany Burmese pronunciation: [àʊɰ̃ sʰáɰ̃ sṵ tɕì]; born 19 June 1945) is a Burmese politician, diplomat, author, and a 1991 Nobel Peace Prize laureate, who is serving as State Counsellor of Myanmar (equivalent to a prime minister) and Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2016 to 2021. She is serving as the president of the National League for Democracy (NLD) since 2011, having been the General Secretary from 1988 to 2011. She plays a vital role in Myanmar's transition from military junta to partial democracy in the 2010s.101.110.42.52 (talk) 07:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, see response directly above. ― Tartan357 Talk 08:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (2)

Aung San Suu Kyi is still the elected state counselor of Myanmar. She is officially listed as elected state counselor of Myanmar in UN website with the date of 19-Feb-2012. Refer page 40 if this PDF (https://protocol.un.org/dgacm/pls/site.nsf/files/HSPMFM/$FILE/Hspmfm.pdf). The date is at the bottom of the page and the names are at the top. Lukaar (talk) 08:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, see response above. ― Tartan357 Talk 08:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (3)

Careythemariah (talk) 09:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Aung San Su Kyi is not former State Counsellor.pls change to State Counsellor

 Not done: WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, see response above ― Tartan357 Talk 12:03, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (4)

Aung San Suu Kyi is the State Counselor of Myanmar. Her position has not officially changed. 160.3.254.90 (talk) 10:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, see response above. ― Tartan357 Talk 12:04, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (5)

She is not a former state counselor, she is still a state counselor in position/ in office by the people of Myanmar. 2001:F40:909:5779:4C99:23FA:438B:70DC (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)She is not a former state counselor, she is still a state counselor in position/ in office by the people of Myanmar.

 Not done: WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, see response above. ― Tartan357 Talk 13:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (6)

I request that the following line be changed from "former state counsellor of Myanmar" to "deposed state counsellor of Myanmar"

By referring to her as "former" Wikipedia is implicitly legitimising the military junta that illegally seized power from a democratically elected government. This is a particularly important line as it shows up in the brief summary on a Google search of Aung San Suu Kyi's name and is therefore highly visible.

{{Short description|Burmese politician, deposed state counsellor of Myanmar}} Avanti21 (talk) 13:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS - see responses above. Also, this is the third similar request from a new account that has only edited this talk page to make the same request. I smell WP:SOCKs here. Further disruption of a similar nature and I'll be taking action, including administrative action. Mjroots (talk) 15:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

There is no "sockpuppetry" going on as far as I am aware. This is a genuine request. The fact that you have had multiple requests of the similar nature (albeit not particularly well argued ones) should perhaps indicate that there is a genuine issue to resolve. Threatening to use your influence to prevent such requests is unnecessary and, frankly, an abuse of that influence.
I find your previous answer to which you keep referring both ill-informed and slightly provocative. Surely if there is one place where semantics matter it is Wikipedia. It is not a case of wishing for a different reality, it is reflecting the nuances of a complex situation - that is the reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avanti21 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
@Avanti21: we go by what reliable sources say, whether it fits our own views or not. Mjroots (talk) 18:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
@Mjroots: Yes, of course, however, do you not agree that it is too early to refer to her as "former" since the outcome of the coup is not yet definitive? I would request that the text be changed to "deposed" until the outcome is confirmed. My reasoning is below, I hope you will give it due consideration since it is based on Wikipedia's own reliable sources. This may seem trivial but I can assure you it is not.
Wikpedia's entry on coup d'état references the following paper Powell, J M. et al 1 March 2011. "Global instances of coups from 1950 to 2010 A new dataset". Journal of Peace Research. 48 (2): 249–259. In this paper the author refers to a previous definition of a "successful" coup as one in which power is held for more than 7 days. However, the author also acknowledges in the same source that "While almost all scholars listed in Table I differentiate success and failure in a similar manner, the one-week threshold is somewhat arbitrary. A theoretically stronger approach would be to follow O’Kane (1987: 37–38), who considers a coup to be successful if it leads to the ‘installation in power of a government of the conspirators’ own choosing’.
The military junta has not fully installed a working government and as such the current coup cannot yet be considered successful under the latter definition.
There is clearly much uncertainty around the definition of a successful coup, however, based on extensive media coverage, it should be clear that a very sizeable proportion of the Myanmar population do not accept the change in leadership and the outcome is still very much uncertain. Aung San Suu Kyi cannot be described as a former leader any more than the military can be described as the government of the country.
As noted in a New York Times article from 2019 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/world/americas/venezuela-coup.html) "A leader’s legitimacy works like modern currencies. The paper itself has value only because consumers treat it as having value. Likewise, a leader is legitimate only as long as his country’s citizens and institutions treat him as legitimate."
As such, in addition to implicitly legitimising the military junta, this Wikipedia entry, in its attempts to be current, has overstepped the mark on this occasion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avanti21 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Avanti21, reliable sources describe her as deposed in the coup ([8], [9], [10], [11], [12]). If she returns to power, we will say so when it happens. For now, she has been removed from office, and is thus no longer State Counsellor, and is therefore a former State Counsellor. Wikipedia does not adjudicate legal or constitutional disputes. Your attempt at WP:SYNTH is not going to outweigh the strong consensus of reliable sources describing her as ousted. ― Tartan357 Talk 23:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2021

Daw Aung San Suu Kyi is current State Counsellor of Myanmar, and is still in office officially. Min Aung Hlaing is a leader of Military Coup, and he is NOT the Chairman of the State Administration Council. 67.170.48.7 (talk) 00:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See the FAQ. ― Tartan357 Talk 00:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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New users: the FAQ answers the following question:

Why does the article describe Aung San Suu Kyi as a former state counsellor? Is she not still the duly elected leader of Myanmar?

The answer: Because reliable sources state she was removed from office in the 2021 Myanmar coup d'état. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia reflects these sources, which may not align with editors' own views on the matter. The threshold for inclusion of material in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs, such as by determining who the rightful leader of Myanmar is based on legal principles.

Any further edit requests which ignore this maxim will be summarily dismissed from now, referring users to the FAQ and to this collapsed notice. Enough is enough. We deal with reputable facts here, not in wishful thinking, no matter how noble these might be. Thank you. El_C 01:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
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