Talk:Anglo-Saxon lyre

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The OP seems to have used citations from books rather than sources that are available online. I am unsure how to mitigate this issue as I can't find online versions of these sources. Help would be appreciated. Jaromefnc (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No mitigation is required. Please see WP:OFFLINE. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Origin and relationship to lyres elsewhere[edit]

the "Origin and relationship to lyres elsewhere" section seem completely redundant. Talking about other unrelated lyres from completely different time periods. Should probably be deleted. Toltecitztli (talk) 05:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added that section. Some of it was just trying to reorganise material others had added to the page, such as the stuff about Gaulish lyre, and that Skye lyre bridge. It could probably be cut down a bit, and that sort of material just moved to the Lyre page. But there are some connections which are given some importance in the literature on Anglo-Saxon lyres, after all, noone thinks Germanic lyres came out of nowhere. To be clear, all I'm interested in is what the academic literature has to say on the subject, I'm not trying to impose my own agenda here.

Firstly the similarities of Germanic lyres to the earlier Scythian lyres is something described in the references given. That's all, they just say these lyres look very similar.

Second, is the recent reporting on the Kazakhstan lyre: The Sutton Hoo lyre and the music of the Silk Road: a new find of the fourth century AD reveals the Germanic lyre's missing eastern connections. Gjermund Kolltveit's paper emphasises the similarity to Germanic lyres. This is an important, well-publicised, recent paper. Right now this lyre, being so far east, is an anomaly, perhaps there's no immediate connection, but as Kolltveit says, if this lyre had been found in western Europe it would be classified as a Germanic lyre. I don't want to over-emphasise this, but it's there, it exists and the experts are talking about it, and thus surely worth mentioning.

Third, is that lyre bridge found on the Isle of Skye. This is something actually given emphasis by Graeme Lawson in his writings on Anglo-Saxon lyres. Lawson is considered one of the leading experts on Germanic lyres. I personally think very little needs to be made of this, since at this stage it is just a bridge for (apparently) a six-string instrument. I agree it's a bit annoying, it's just that Lawson thinks there's a relevant north-European lyre connection here, and he's someone you have to listen to concerning Anglo-Saxon lyres.

Fourth, there's the 2nd century lyre yoke from Bremen, Germany. This just seems to be unequivocally a yoke of a Germanic-style lyre, and hence important as a possible early example of this tradition. Pasicles (talk) 11:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]