Talk:Andong jjimdak

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Did you know... that Andong jjimdak (pictured) is a Korean steamed dish originated in the city of Andong?

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Move proposal[edit]

Move to Andong jjimdak. According to Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%EB%8B%AD), dak does not contain an L in Revised Romanization (which we generally use for Wikipedia titles). Badagnani (talk) 00:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. kwami (talk) 01:45, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Romanization[edit]

Why was "jjimdak" changed to "jjimdalk" in this edit? Please see Wiktionary entry at for romanizations. Badagnani (talk) 00:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 February 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. It appears that usage is inconsistent both on and off Wikipedia, so it may be worth considering adoption of a particular rule for cases like this, but consensus for a particular title could not be established here. Dekimasuよ! 19:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andong jjimdak → Andong-jjimdak – The move was undiscussed. Munui (talk) 03:32, 13 February 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 07:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:39, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The move from the unhyphenated title to the hyphenated one is the one that needs to be discussed, not vice versa. The move was done by MaeveCosgrave, but then reverted by Garam. Also, the move proposal from 2008 said to move to the current unhyphenated title. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:39, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

... 아울러, '한방삼계탕'은 'hanbang-samgye-tang'으로 제시되어 있는데 붙임표는 표기의 편의를 위한 것이므로 반드시 표기를 지킬 필요는 없다는 점을 참고하시기 바랍니다. → ... Also, "Hanbangsamgyetang" is presented as "hanbang-samgye-tang", but a hyphen may be used for convenience, so you should remember that you don't necessarily need to follow it.
— National Institute of Korean Language, [Reply] Romanization, #1

Oppose: per above. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 13:08, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But since we should rely on the internal style guide, what is the relevant rule under WP:MOS-KO? Dekimasuよ! 07:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Dekimasu: Unfortunately, I think we don't have any rules about this in WP:MOS-KO, yet. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 08:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per norm. Chungmu-gimbap also hypnenates the region Chungmu and the dish name gimbap. --Osori (talk) 05:23, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: These both appear to be common names in English. Is one clearly more common? Or, is there a formal naming convention that covers this topic? I note that Category:Korean chicken dishes contains four article titles that might be hyphenated, and currently this is the only one that is not. But that's not very many. Is there a more general trend towards hyphenation in other comparable Wikipedia article titles? Please base !votes on the article title policy or other relevant policies and guidelines. Andrewa (talk) 07:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional support 주요 한식명(200개) 로마자 표기 및 번역(영, 중, 일) 표준안 (Standardized Romanizations and Translations (English, Chinese, and Japanese) of (200) Major Korean Dishes) by the National Institute of Korean Language may be considered one. It hyphenates each morpheme, but I'm not sure about the dishes with place names like this one. Should Andong-jjimdak be a genre of jjimdak (like New England clam chowder), the name is better hyphenated in my opinion. If it is more like "Sindang-dong tteok-bokki" I don't think it should be hyphenated. For now it seems like the former case. --Postcol (talk) 12:10, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - English sources that I can see seem to slihgtly favour the non-hyphenated version and, furthermore, if they are both commonly found in sources, then we may as well stick with the established variant, which in this case is the current title, despite the brief few months residing at the other title last year. — Amakuru (talk) 13:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

I note the previous moves

16:25, 5 September 2008‎ Caspian blue (talk | contribs | block)‎ m . . (2,134 bytes) (0)‎ . . (moved Andong jimdalk to Andong jjimdalk: spelling)
02:28, 11 September 2008‎ Kwamikagami (talk | contribs | block)‎ m . . (4,088 bytes) (0)‎ . . (moved Andong jjimdalk to Andong jjimdak: move to official transcription per editor request)
18:08, 19 February 2017‎ MaeveCosgrave (talk | contribs | block)‎ m . . (5,783 bytes) (0)‎ . . (MaeveCosgrave moved page Andong jjimdak to Andong-jjimdak)
06:38, 21 August 2017‎ Garam (talk | contribs | block)‎ m . . (5,904 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Garam moved page Andong-jjimdak to Andong jjimdak over redirect)

of which only the second seems to have been discussed, see #Move proposal above. Andrewa (talk) 06:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

File nominated for deletion on commons[edit]

The file c:File:Andong-jjimdak.jpg used in this article has been nominated for deletion on Commons 
Reason: I think time has come to finish the long-forgotten (or ignored) question: Is [Template:M used with invalid code 'tl'. See documentation.]KOGL free?  I doubt its freeness, based on the fact that we do not have definite answer for Template talk:KOGL#Free?. To save your click...  [Template:M used with invalid code 'talkquote'. See documentation.]In case the terms change we (on Wikimedia projects) can still reuse it under the licensing conditions at the time of upload here. But in that case we must stop distributing the file to others because we are not a licensor (only a reuser) and our scope of redistributing entirely relies on the licensing of the source. If the source licensing is not a public license (but a private license contract concluded when the licensee downloads the file from the official source) then it is not free. Its revocable and fails c:Commons:Project scope#Required licensing terms.  We, as of 2018, do not have a final answer for this. And this means, we have to delete these images, including some VIs and FPs. 
Deletion request: link

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