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Authorship??[edit]

So who actually wrote the damned song??? Lyrics? music? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.187.74.68 (talk) 19:52, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As the lede states, it is a folk song, which until very recent times meant traditional in words and music with no certain identified author. The first recordings of it are from 1956 by Bob Gibson and later that year by Cynthia Gooding, but both identify it as "Traditional - Arranged By..." Even the pop version "All My Sorrows" that McCartney melded with the trad song is of uncertain recent vintage. Some attribute it to Glenn Yarbrough of the Limeliters, others to Guard, Shane, and Reynolds of The Kingston Trio. No one has been able to establish the song's origins. Sensei48 (talk) 23:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sensei48: Do you (or anyone reading this) know if there are any secondary sources attributing "All My Sorrows" to Yarbrough, or the KT, as you mentioned? Or anyone else really, like Gibson? Or at least a source saying that no one has been able to establish its origins, as you said. I've added sources which are not exactly up to WP:RS standards, but they were written by professional music writers (on their selfpub websites), so I added them, just because I didn't want even more people copy-pasting from this article and just continuing the idea that it's 100% certainly a trad. song from the Bahamas, which I noticed has happened a lot (and found an academic paper actually quoting the wiki article). Though I suppose that's also what happened with Joan Baez's Songbook, as every pre-internet source I've found seems to reference her. I tried to keep the tone neutral, and didn't explicitly add the idea that <speculation and unsourced drivel>it might have been written in the 50's by combining elements from various trad. sources... It's just curious I can't/no one else can find any actual Bahamians referencing/recording it, and that it inexplicably "was forgotten" by the American tradition.</speculation and unsourced drivel>

Anyway, I'd appreciate any help you could give! Or anyone else reading! ElfLady64 (talk) 02:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why McCartney?[edit]

The Infobox and singles category list are entirely inappropriate to this article - which is about a folk song, not about the McCartney single. I am removing the extensive and useless (here) singles list - will leave the InfoBox for the moment. PP&M and several other artists also had sing;es with this three decades before Sir Paul. Categories and Infobox should complement the article's text, not run off obliquely in another direction. Sensei48 (talk) 23:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Original Analysis[edit]

In attempting to add inline citations to the page, I realized that the analysis of the song lyrics seems to be original/unpublished analysis from the article's creation in 2003. All I could find are websites which have quoted the text from here exactly which date from after article creation. Analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of a primary source (i.e. lyrics) requires a secondary source, otherwise it's WP:Original Research. @Danny: I realize this was about 15 years ago now but do you know if there was a source you got this analysis from? ElfLady64 (talk) 02:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]