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References are pretty thin on Japanese Visual kei bands. However, this one seems to have crossed over enough to have fan sites in English, which make up most of the references. I've yet to find a good quality reference in English, but I've added the article from Wikipedia, Japan. Will that do? Pkeets 17:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid it will not, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources. - Cyrus XIII 18:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, should be improved now. Pkeets 18:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would someone kindly provide a rationale how the following sites constitute reliable enough sources (per WP:RS) to ensure both, the verifiability of information given in the article and the notability of the subject in general?

- Cyrus XIII 22:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those sites are all edited by professionals to avoid libel, and are therefore reliable. Epbr123 22:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well I'm sorry, but most of them just aren't: crysania.com and jrocksaga.com are both self-published sites run by individuals (the former by a Cassiel Kelner, the latter by a person nicknamed "klept" - neither of them appear to be distinguished journalists), same goes for proxemics.net. jmusicamerica.com is maintained by volunteers with the aim to "spread the popularity of contemporary Japanese music"[1] - again, apparently no professionals, plus a slight POV problem. The only site obviously run by professionals is sanctuarybooks.jp, yet all it does for this article is to confirm that there is a book called Bangal a go-go which mentions the band (among dozens of others) and the article in its current form makes no effort to point out what portions of it are supposed to be referenced through this book (which might still be self-published). - Cyrus XIII 23:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - What do you consider a "professional" site? Since Jmusicamerica is a .com, then I expect it's a profit-making enterprise of some kind, rather than a service organization. And what's a "reliable source"? I understand these bands were often covered by Japanese music magazines, but they're not exactly online to reference, and a little hard to come by unless you're a long time fan. Would a reference to these be considered professional, or are you looking for scholarly references?Pkeets 03:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The information in the Band Biography/History/Name-it-what-seems-right are mainly statements to show that even though the band was an independent band, they had an impact. All the Japanese sources about the Key Party revival call it "The Legendary label Key Party". A release of 10,000 that sold out instead of a 500 - 5000 release (indies bands are usually considered "sucessful" if they are selling 5000 copies of a CD). Country wide tour? The old WP:BAND page had "tour of a medium size country" as acceptable for inclusion (and for some reason Japan always counted in AfD). Reference 4 just gives another reference to confirm the disco and also to confirm that the band was written about from multiple sources. I think one of the reverted pages talked about Kyouka going solo, so I had a source to talk about that (that can be fleshed out later). They aren't random statements, they are a beginning to an article - at least everything is sourced. Denaar 18:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]