Talk:Alex Berenson

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, which has been designated as a contentious topic.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Alex Berenson article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1: 365 days

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Arts and Entertainment

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group.

United States Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

"False claims"?[edit]

Berenson appeared frequently in American right-wing media, spreading false claims about COVID-19 and its vaccines

This is much too broad of a statement, and the specific claims of falsehood should be verified by an un-biased source. Berenson has consistently cited government sources in his assertions.

Suggested replacement:

Berenson appeared frequently in American media, raising contrarian viewpoints that differ from the common narrative concerning COVID-19 and its vaccines. TiMike (talk) 11:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not do WP:FALSEBALANCE. See also WP:FRINGE, WP:YWAB, and WP:CHARLATANS. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:GREL . Generally reliable in its areas of expertise.

Please especially read

WP:MEDPOP The popular press is generally not a reliable source for scientific and medical information in articles

And WP:NEWSORG Whether a specific news story is reliable for a fact or statement should be examined on a case-by-case basis. 213.237.95.221 (talk) 17:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, those are also good reasons against watering down the falsity of Berenson's statements. --Hob Gadling (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The citations that prove his claims are false are from media companies, whereas his claims often come from government sources. If media companies have contacted experts who claim that Berenson is misinterpreting the data and can explain how, then it becomes a debate between interpretations and more expert analysis is required in order to assert that a claim is actually false. Cdnshipsnote (talk) 23:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article should simply state "claims". The sources provided are from random journalists, not peer reviewed medical papers, which would give more credibility. OC1986 (talk) 05:04, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“False claims”[edit]

Rewrite to alleviate the inherent bias of its author(s). Use term claims but be aware of several government citations which back the subject’s opinions. 68.132.130.55 (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You will need reliable sources for that, and they must be stronger than the ones we use now. "Government" is quite a ridiculous criterion for reliability. --Hob Gadling (talk) 13:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Atlantic Article[edit]

Just had a brief look at the Atlantic article on him, concentrating on his mistakes. Fair enough, but perhaps the media, including Wikipedia should have tried to be critical about the pro-Covid-Hysteria and of Big Pharma.--Ralfdetlef (talk) 08:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]