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The Farmers' Party in Norway

The Farmers' Party (Bondepartiet), today The Centre Party (Senterpartiet), had a one-party minority goverment in Norway from 1930-1932. Peder Kolstad was Prime Minister from 1930-31 (he was never party leader though), and Jens Hunseid was Prime Minister from 1931-32 (he was the party leader from 1930-38).

They also had the prime minister (in a coalition government) from 1965-1971, but that was after they had changed their name to The Centre Party (Senterpartiet) in 1959.

So it is certenly not true that Aleksandar Stamboliyski is the only leader of an agrarian (Farmers') party to have been prime minister in a one-party goverment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_Party_%28Norway%29

88.91.192.74 23:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

In Sweden, the Farmer's Party (Centerpartiet) had a one-party minority government in 1936. Because of that I remove the lines about the Bulgarian politician. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.231.62.204 (talk) 16:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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Inge needs replacement

Inge is not a historian or political philosopher, and Agrarianism is a political philosophy with a long history. Inge's definition is rather interpretive and is based on what he sees as the meaning behind agrarian themes and images in American literature. Dan Knauss

Indeed. Even just in America, agrarianism was more important in the 19th century than the 20th. - Jmabel | Talk 06:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Agrarianism vs. Capitalism?

I'm asking for clarification, not disagreeing, because I'm not familiar enough with Agrarianism yet: in what way and/or according to what definition of the term "capitalism" is it opposed to agrarianism, and what are the sources/citations for this? Thanx! Caliban 20:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah! I want to know too! :-) Lawyer2b 21:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

A good start can be found in "The Agrarian Roots of Capitalism", the first chapter in Hungry for Profit: The agribusiness threat to farmers, food, and the environment edited by Fred Magdoff, John Bellamy Foster, and Frederick H Buttel (2000). There are other good references that chronicle this link, but they are far less accessible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.179.21 (talk) 23:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Systematic bias

Funny how all the examples of modern day Agrarian parties are from Eastern Europe (+Australia) but all the "Theorists" and "History" is about US, Canada and a bit about Western Europe and China. The whole article is very skewed. Volunteer Marek 16:25, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

the problem was in the inadequate subheader titles, which I have now fixed. I hope that resolves the issue. Rjensen (talk) 21:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Cambodia

What no Khymer Rouge? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.231.29.21 (talk) 11:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Catholic agrarianism

If the article becomes more developed, it could maybe mention the various movements of agrarianism promoted by the Roman Catholic Church during the 19th and 20th centuries. Many of these movements were aimed at maintaining the Christian character of rural social organization and were explicitly critical of modern urban and industrial development, which had become very secular because of the diminishing importance of traditional assembly areas such as the metropolitan cathedral. ADM (talk) 05:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Why not mention them at this stage? --Jonund (talk) 20:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Along these lines, Belloc and Chesterton should be mentioned, and the whole idea of Distributism. It is, at its base, an agrarian form of capitalism. Shadowmane (talk) 18:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Ibn Saud and Café com leite politics

When Ibn Saud "instituted an agrarian policy to settle the nomadic pastoralist bedouins into colonies, and to dismantle their tribal organizations in favor of allegiance to the Ikhwan.", was he practicing Agrarianism? In other words, as a social philosophy or political philosophy which values rural society as superior to urban society, does it also value such a society as superior to a nomadic society? And as Agrarianism supports the distribution of land from the rich to the poor or landless, does it also value the distribution of land from the nomadic to the non-nomadic? – Wbm1058 (talk) 22:14, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

And in a similar vein, are Brazil's Old Republic Café com leite politics—patron-client political machines of the countryside which enabled agrarian oligarchs, especially coffee planters in the dominant state of São Paulo, to dominate state structures to their advantage, particularly the weak central state structures that effectively devolved power to local agrarian oligarchies—are these an example of Agrarianism? Wbm1058 (talk) 22:37, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I'll pass on Saudi Arabia but for Brazil historians use "agrarian reform" to characterize poor farmers who protest AGAINST the coffee barons. see Ondetti, Gabriel (2011). Land, Protest, and Politics: The Landless Movement and the Struggle for Agrarian Reform in Brazil. Penn State Press. pp. 10–11. Rjensen (talk) 22:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Right, so perhaps we could say that Saud and the oligarchs set an "agrarian policy" to implement an "agrarian system", which the poor or more Jeffersonian-minded—who support agrarianism—may want to change with "agrarian reform". – Wbm1058 (talk) 23:12, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Jefferson promoted agrarianism all right. But Teddy Roosevelt was a cowboy and he thought the hunting & herding culture was superior to both farming and city life. Rjensen (talk) 23:19, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

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