Talk:Acid jazz/Archives/2018

Another American on a page about London Soul?

 I saw your comment a few weeks ago but I ignored it as I was waiting for the Swedish lady to turn up. I've given her long enough now, but she's gone missing just like the author as she knows she's been busted (Thats if she's even a real person).So it looks like they sent you as a replacement. Just because someone comes from Essex has a different opinion? I don't like being rude to elders but if you talk crap or address me in an insulting manner I will give it right back. So get stuffed. Like the others on the page im not offering an opinion im adding my voice to all the others here who know that this page is a pile of crap. A tissue of lies is that clear? I'm telling you about London because I live here.

 What has Black music in london got to do with a Californian like you either or a swede for that matter? Why is it all foreigners protecting the lies on this page? If you have read all the comments written on the page  ignore them and then come out with a stupid statement like that then no doubt you are part of the gang. Yes im accusing you too. What scholar or journalist says that Jazz, Funk and Soul, Latin Soul, Trip Hop, Hip Hop, British Funk, Calypso or Rare Groove came from London? Calling yourself a scholar means didley squat. Its generally used as a fig-leaf to cover insecurities or a lack of knowledge and if a journalist or so-called music scholar thinks that we have Giles Peterson to thank for Soul, Jazz, funk, Salsa and even Neo Soul or Rare Groove music then he or she is not worth the name. Jazz and Funk and Soul are genres. Acid jazz is not. Acid jazz was our movement. It was a M-O-V-E-M-E-N-T get it? and I was in it do you get that as well? A movement as in a group of people who were into jazz funk and rare groove in the nineties when everyone else was into House, Rap or Brit pop. You live in California, I live in London. You claim to be a sound engineer from the 1960s long before i was born. That was time of Motown and Berry Gordy. That means you were alive when jazzfunk started in America but yet you're defending the liars here saying  that it comes from acid jazz records in London during the mid 80's? Jazz funk and soul was created by acid jazz records and spread to America? A 1960s American agrees with that? yeah right.

Are you sure you're also not in some way involved with acid jazz records? everyone else writing crap and deleting things here seems to be. If acid jazz is a genre I have never heard of it. But what do i know im just someone who was in the movement. I mean what would I know about London compared to an American from the west coast. You people are really funny. Do you lot think people are dumb? evidently you must do if you think you're fooling anyone here. Show me a quote from any credible Londoner anywhere who says that acid jazz is a music genre and not a movement, and then do what has been asked already name an acid jazz song. Not Jazz funk like Lonnie liston Smith or Herbie Hancock or Roy Ayres, not Soul like Marvin Gaye or Luther Vandross, not Latin Soul like Azymuth, not American Trip hop or hip hop like A Tribe Called Quest not Britfunk like Level 42, Incognito or Soul to soul, not UK neo soul like Omar or Mark Morrison. Specifically  name an acid jazz track. Any song at all. If it's a musical genre then there should be thousands. It's piling up and you're not fooling anyone. Go on, name the first acid jazz song and name one of these 1980's acid jazz bands which no one has ever heard of.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManU4life (talk • contribs) 04:41, 1 January 2018 (UTC) 

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New Grove on origin

Possibly the most serious and reliable source about jazz is the three-volume New Grove Dictionary of Jazz. I have volume I of the second edition here in front of me. On page 10, the entry for acid jazz says that acid jazz got its name from "Gilles Peterson, a London disc jockey in 1987 in an off the cuff response to the dance music known as 'acid house' (recordings of which another disc jockey had been playing immediately before Peterson's own set began). It is the first jazz term to have been coined by a disc jockey rather than a musician or critic."
–Vmavanti (talk) 23:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: Peterson's supposed origination of the term is already noted in the article (Various origins have been attributed to the name of the genre, including claims to have coined the term by DJs Gilles Peterson and Chris Bangs), but you are welcome to cite the New Grove Dictionary as an additional source. LifeofTau 00:13, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, that sentence presents the matter as though it were debatable. Sources make all the difference. It isn't something I'm going to debate, because I don't care. I do find New Grove more reliable than most sources on matters pertaining to jazz.
–Vmavanti (talk) 04:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: Looking through the article's edit history, the sentence's wording seems to be the result of this Last.fm page claiming that Chris Bangs was the first to use the term. Since that website is not a reliable source according to WP:MUSICSOURCE, I don't see any problem with rewording the sentence to directly credit Peterson with coining "acid jazz" while adding a reference citing the New Grove Dictionary. LifeofTau 06:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC)