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To All Who Are Working on this Page & Keeping It Up to Date

Very nice work. Many thanks to all of you! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.51.218.38 (talk) 20:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to correct you... SEMI FINAL of PAK,WI,AUS and IND is not on 29th its on 30th and same is the case with vanue... you are showing it opposite.. :p —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.120.220.14 (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that too, and fixed it. Mr splosh (talk) 17:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Teams which cannot qualify for the quarter finals - mark in red

Netherlands can end with a maximum of 4 points if they win both their last two matches. But there are already four teams with more than four points, so Netherlands are definitely out and can be marked with a red background.

Likewise Kenya can only get 4 points, so cannot finish in the top four in group A. They can also be marked in red. Thanks.

Mr splosh (talk) 08:56, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Only the teams that have qualified are marked in green. The rest remain unmarked. --ashwinikalantri talk 09:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Didn't we used to have red for 'cannot progress to next stage'? Was there a good reason for not doing that anymore? Mr splosh (talk) 11:08, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it is better that the eliminated teams (at this point, Canada, Kenya and the Netherlands) be highlighted in pink, as used to be the case.Ordinary Person (talk) 14:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you to the person who marked Netherlands in pink. Can they also do the same for Kenya and Canada, please? Mr splosh (talk) 17:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone has just un-done this. I wish they would use this discussion not just change things. Mr splosh (talk) 18:51, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I put it back, but AshwiniKalantri has again reverted it. Are there any more views here, or do we need to discuss it at WP:WikiProject Cricket? Once the group stages are over, it obviously doesn't need 3 colours, as those who have not qualified are out, but while the group stages are in progress it makes sense to make the distinction between qualified, not able to qualify, and those still fighting for places. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
This is the common format for all sports tables in live events on Wikipedia now. Green for qualified, pink for "cannot qualify" while the group stage is live. If someone can suggest a reason why the table is better without this extra piece of information, please present it. At the moment it seems to be only Ashwini who objects to the normal format, so I will put the colours back in. Ordinary Person (talk) 09:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very to David and OrdinaryPerson for taking the time to explain the reasoning and for re-colouring the pink teams. Mr splosh (talk) 07:21, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I've also logged this query on the Sports Project here. I'm sure that teams should be highlighted in a different colour if they can't qualify, as it gives the impression that they still can if left un-shaded. Lugnuts (talk) 09:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't care about the colouring either way, but there needs to be an explanation of what the shading means. Nev1 (talk) 18:28, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

The shading is quite self-explaining.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 12:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I guess we can keep the red till the group stages are over. Then they need to go, as there will only be two categories - Qualified and Disqualified then. --ashwinikalantri talk 13:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Now that the group stage is complete. I am removing the red marking as pre the discussion above. It is quite self explanatory that the teams in green have qualified and the rest havent. ashwinikalantri talk 17:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Are Sri Lanka certain to finish second?

If Australia lose to Pakistan, won't Sri Lanka win the group?

No, Pakistan will. ChickenMarengo (talk) 10:32, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks
If the game is a draw, then SL will win the group. Not so? And don't SL get a home QF (unless they end up playing India)? MarcoGallotta (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
If the game is a draw, then Australia win the group.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 11:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Sri Lanka are certain to finish 2nd:

If Pak win
1. Pak
2. Sri
3. Aus
4. NZL

If Aus win or draw
1. Aus
2. Sri
3. NZL
4. Pak

--ashwinikalantri talk 12:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

If it is draw (tie or no result), Pak will finish as A3. Not as A4 like you mentioned

1. Aus
2. Sri
3. Pak
4. NZL
Amdmustafa (talk) 13:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

QF lineups (venues) wrong

The QF line-ups are wrong. SL won't play at Ahmedabad, unless India finish third. Otherwise, it will be the corresponding opponent for India (A3 if India is B2). India is the only certain team in the Ahmedabad QF. Also, SA won't play in Sri Lanka, unless India finish third (and SL end up playing in Ahmedabad).

-Karthik.raman (talk) 11:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I have reverted that edit. It can be decided only after Ind vs WI match. Amdmustafa (talk) 11:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

SA have qualified as No1 in the Group B (ie as Group B1). There is no way for any other team to score more points then them. Again, Sri Lanka have also qualified at No2 in Group B. No matter what the result of the current Pak v Aus match. If Pak win, Then Pak - 1, Sri - 2, Aus - 3, NZL - 4. If Aus win, Aus - 1, Sri - 2, NZL - 3, Pak - 4. So Sri lanka will remain as Group A2.
The result of group B wont affect group A status. --ashwinikalantri talk 12:07, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear Ashwini, What you have mentioned above is right as for as position in group stage is concern. But the QF venues are not only decided by POSITIONS in group stages. Kindly go through this paragraph in WC 2011 main page
"The location of a particular knockout stage could be interchanged to facilitate home matches for the hosts (India, Sri Lanka and Bangaladesh ). But if two host countries draw each other, the team placed higher in the pre-tournament seeding will get preference. It means India, seeded higher than both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, will play the entire knock-out stage on home soil if they get that far"
So if India confirm its place as B2, the match A3 vs B2 will be shifted to Ahmedabad which is currently mentioned as Dhaka. The same goes to Srilanka. It is A2 and is confirmed. So A2 vs B3 match will be shifted to Colombo which is currently mentioned as Ahmedabad UNLESS it clash with India. If India (which is seeded higher than SL) take over SL in QF, the match will be in Ahmedabad. Hope you understand this and revert your edit.Amdmustafa (talk) 12:26, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, in that case, the venues will be announced after tomorrows match between India and WI. ashwinikalantri talk 12:33, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

The above is all correct. But I would suggest that it gives better information to put in the teams and flags into the quarter-finals template but have the venues as TBD, rather than taking out the teams and leaving it empty with the venues in place. Who plays who is currently the more interesting topic, so that should be filled in when known, then the venues entered later. Mr splosh (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Everybody has different opinion and editing happens according to their own opinion. My suggestion is let us stick with the official released schedule by ICC and its method rather than doing on our own understanding and opinion (i mean here is A* vs B* should be mentioned according to the ICC schedule. When they finalize it, we do. After all, it is matter of just one day. Tomorrow night, everything will be cleared Amdmustafa (talk) 14:54, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Adding one more to it, if we go according to the current method in article page, the semi finals should also be mentioned as TBA. Because it follows the same rule of knock out stages. Amdmustafa (talk) 15:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

QF venues are pre decided, what is the source for ur whole theory? HotWinters (talk) 16:51, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Its in the article. here you go. ashwinikalantri talk 16:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

India is sure to play at Ahmedabad, India. I am making the update. [1] --ashwinikalantri talk 17:43, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Kindly place India in opposite side. Usually Group B teams come in right side — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amdmustafa (talk • contribs) 17:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
This is just arbitrary placing. Once the match starts, the team batting first will be placed first. ashwinikalantri talk 17:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Oh. Thanks for clarification. Amdmustafa (talk) 17:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops. Wrongly I deleted India also when i was reverting.Amdmustafa (talk) 19:21, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

INDIA hasn't qualified yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafeyjadoon (talk • contribs) 08:29, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes they have! Even if India lose todays match, they will be 3rd in the group. There is 100% mathematical probability for India to qualify. ashwinikalantri talk 08:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
And what if they win? --Rafeyjadoon
Then they stand at 2nd position. ashwinikalantri talk 08:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Exactly,then why did you tage india for the 3rd match it could be any for all we know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafeyjadoon (talk • contribs) 08:51, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Please read the discussion above. India will play in India no matter what position it will qualify.
And please sign your posts with --~~~~ or from toolbar. --ashwinikalantri talk 08:56, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

West Indies is guaranteed through to the Quarter Finals.

West Indies have qualified due to the fact that even in the worst case scenario(i.e. West Indies 0/10 and India 7/0 in 0.0 overs.), West Indies will have a NRR of +0.628 (1111/262.3333... - 877/242.83333...), which is higher than Bangladesh's -1.361. India's score is 7 because the highest amount of runs you can score in the event of a wide is 7. Syjytg (talk) 13:42, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

That's only true if WI bat first. If India bat first and score 770, and WI score 0/10, they'll end with a NRR of -1.365 (1111/262.3333... - 1640/292.8333...) and go out. ChickenMarengo (talk) 14:20, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
If India bet first, they just need 769 and WI score 0/10 and West Indies NRR will be -1.362. However, it is impossible for India or any team for the matter to attain 769 runs in 50 overs. To add on, http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/current/story/506964.html and http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/current/story/507040.html shows that Bangladesh has been eliminated.Syjytg (talk) 14:25, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
It's at least as likely as scoring a 6 off a wide ;-) (but I'm not going to argue that we shouldn't have the highlighting if you've seen and dismissed the possibility) ChickenMarengo (talk) 14:56, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
The 2 links are from a highly reputable website and if they say Bangladesh is out, they are out.Syjytg (talk) 15:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Did we always go on mathematical posibility? The highest possible score is certainly well over 800 runs. Its still possible that bangas can make it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.191.84 (talk) 23:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
The theoretical maximum is 300x6=1800 plus wides. But West Indies must lose by a extremely impossible margin that the editors of several reputable websites have put West Indies as qualified.Syjytg (talk) 06:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The point is, the editors are making a judgment call. I am sure that no one can point to the dividing line. It should be reverted, with an appropriate note. Then all are properly informed. 124.191.181.82 (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Cricinfo has said that Bangladesh are out. Based on WP verifiability, THEY ARE OUT.
No need to shout to make your point. I am sure Bangladesh will be out (in a matter of hours). But it is wrong and misleading as it stands. What would be this dividing line? 124.191.181.82 (talk) 12:38, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

India - Quarter Finals

Why is India listed are playing in Match 44? Alan Davidson (talk) 03:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

India will definitely play in India. Against Sri Lanka or Australia depending on todays game. ashwinikalantri talk 06:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, India will definately play in Ahmedabad. Sri Lanka, will play in Colombo UNLESS they are matched with India (which is possible). So right now the only venues/matches that are confirmed is: (1) Pak in QF 1 in Dhaka, (2) Ind in QF3 in Ahmedabad.
We dont know which match Pakistan will play in 23rd March or 25th March. ashwinikalantri talk 09:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes we do. They are A1. And since India cannot possibly be B4, they will play the game originally scheduled for A1. Why are people making such a simple process so complicated? 98.14.153.212 (talk) 09:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Again, positions at the Group stage has nothing to do with where and when you play. The position will only decide who you play against. Venues and dates will announced after todays match by ICC. ashwinikalantri talk 09:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

adding to the above point, india still can be placed as b4 if it lose badly in this match and run rate will drop below england. So pak match also not yet decided — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amdmustafa (talk • contribs) 09:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

The user who listed India in the quarters was acting as a fan. Too opinionated an assertion? Not. Why was Sri Lanka not listed to play in Sri Lanka? Factually, it's correct. But taking the info fr/ ESPN, and esp. inferring it fr/ other information is Original Research. Don't bother reverting it. It feeds the original poster's need for attention. Tapered (talk) 15:00, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

India is the only certain team to play QF in a particular venue (Ahmedabad). All other teams - qualified for QF - are not certain about their venues. This is why india is mentioned in QF list.Amdmustafa (talk) 15:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
You folks & the person who posts @ ESPN do great original research. What would the ICC do w/out you? Oh yeah. After today's match is over, they'll announce the quarters. Tapered (talk) 16:07, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Here you go! FYI, Tapered, there is a lot of effort that goes into keeping WP up-to-date, correct and well sourced. Mocking the effort violates WP:NPA

Here is what we know

So far...

  1. India will play the QF at Ahmedabad on 24th Match.
  2. South Africa will play against New Zealand - We dont know where and when.
  3. Sri lanka will play in Sri lanka against England if India win today. Else they will play in Ahmedabad with India on 24th March.
  4. Pakistan will play West Indies or England, depending on todays match. Again, dont know where and when.
  5. Australia will play who ever wins todays match (India/West Indies). Ahmedabad against India. Dont know where/when against WI.

ashwinikalantri talk 09:19, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


India wins, India have finally beaten one of the top teams in the World Cup. West Indies go into the quarters without a single win. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.183.138 (talk) 16:20, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

This is not a forum. This is a place to discuss the article. How to improve it. And to settle any disputes that can arise. ashwinikalantri talk 17:18, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The bracket is drawn incorrectly. According to Cricinfo, the winner of Ind/Aus faces the winner of Pak/WI in Mohali. http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/series/381449.html?template=wcfixtures 98.14.153.212 (talk) 17:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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