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Results of group stage matches

I think that results of individual group matches should be on the page, in whatever form possible. I don't really see any reasons why tables should be kept on the page, while to find out the results a user has to go through 8 (!) different individual group pages. Artyom (talk • contribs) 18:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, we should use a similar table to the ones used at UEFA Champions League 2007-08. – PeeJay 18:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
The problem with those would probably be that teams only play each other once, so the tables might not look very good. However, since there are only 6 matches in each group, it may be better to list the results in some form either adjacent to or beneath the standings tables. Artyom (talk • contribs) 18:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
You could be right there. Perhaps something similar to the way the results were listed in the Champions League articles before we decided to use the tables? – PeeJay 18:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
That would probably work. Artyom (talk • contribs) 19:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Go ahead then :) – PeeJay 19:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. But just to make sure that it won't be useless, it might be a good idea to wait for other comments and/or suggestions :-) Artyom (talk • contribs) 20:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Summary

I got a good summary going for the 2006 FIFA World Cup. Unfortunetely, some Europeans on wiki think that they world revolves around italy, france, germany, and england. I was even told my PeeJay that any contributions I made from now on will be treated as vandilism which I am going to report.SuperSonicx1986 (talk) 00:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Your unilateral changes to this article are not welcome. By all means, replace the summary of the tournament, and it will be judged on its own merits, but when you take it upon yourself to change the entire article to follow a completely different style, that, in my opinion, is vandalism. – PeeJay 10:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Germany vs Argentina

Could someone please tell me the song that plays in the stadium after the penalty shoot-out?

Thanks!SuperSonicx1986 (talk) 18:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

1990?

Why is there a summary of the results of the 1990 world cup in the box down at the bottom of the page? I assume something is broken in the template and it should either be showing the results of 2006, or the previous edition in 2002. I'd fix it but I can't actually see what's wrong... Brickie (talk) 17:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed it. – PeeJay 17:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Number of viewers

Were there really 26.29 billion non-unique viewers? The number seems to be a little bit to high. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.169.65 (talk • contribs)

What makes you say that? 26.29 billion viewers split between 64 matches gives an average of 411 million viewers per game, and since the final was viewed by 715 million people, that's easily believable. – PeeJay 23:29, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Round of 16

{{editsemiprotected}} Allegations of the Brazil v. Ghana game being fixed are now pretty much unfounded. The article that it linked to no longer exists, and more recent articles, such as this, [1] demonstrate that news of a possible fixed result were sensationalized. Please remove Der Spiegel reported that the match was influenced by an Asian betting syndicate. Santihenderson (talk) 03:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve the accuracy of this article. Your reference reports that GHA denies the incident and is suing the author. That seems neutral with regard to whether the allegations were unfounded. Do you have any other references that comment more directly on your point? If you did, that would support adding content disputing the report. Removing the existing content would require an abundance of opinion that that allegation was just sensationalism. Celestra (talk) 15:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Semiprotection review

This article was semiprotected in early 2008 after being fully protected for a while. Over 18 months have now passed so I'd like to review this to see if semiprotection is still considered necessary. As well as welcoming opinions from regular editors I've contacted IanManka, the protecting admin. --TS 09:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Given the time since the event, I would imagine that semiprotection is no longer necessary. I can't imagine it being vandalised often enough to warrant protection. I hope I'm not wrong. Aheyfromhome (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree as well. It's been unprotected. Hopefully we won't need to reapply the semi-protection, but we'll see. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 23:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and move protection is still sysop-only. Let me know if you think that should be changed, but I don't think it should, per the article's move log. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 23:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Quarter-Final bias?

The wording in the description of the England-Portugal game, where the word "ugly" is used, makes it sound like the writer is biased towards England.64.180.179.105 (talk) 04:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

It is not the only instance where the word ugly is inappropriately used. In general the wording of this article is over the top and does not sound encyclopedic at all. It has become a tendency in Wikipedia to let go on such writings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.29.183 (talk) 03:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Final rankings table

What do the asterisks and daggers in the Final Rankings table denote? A key is needed. Bazonka (talk) 08:12, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Final

Croatia did not win in the final. It was Italy, beating France 5-3 on penalties after 1-1 in normal time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.15.109 (talk) 16:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Somebody completely altered the winnings table for some reason. It can't be reverted any more and would need to be fixed manually. 89.142.29.249 (talk) 08:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Viewers

Is the third paragraph still correct? I find it hard to believe the 2010 Cup did not surpass those listed there, but it's hard to tell from the relevant article, which says "Hundreds of broadcasters, representing about 70 countries, transmitted the Cup to a TV audience that FIFA officials expect to exceed a cumulative 26 billion people, an average of approximately 400 million viewers per match. FIFA estimated that around 700 million viewers would watch the World Cup final." Can anyone find out and update accordingly? Languagehat (talk) 15:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Penalty Shoot-Out rules

Just a thought: replace the "(at least five penalties each)" with a better definition as, indeed, in real world, sides often win a shoot-out while having shot fewer than 5 penalties. In fact, that was the case with Ukraine who won a shoot-out against Switzerland with only 4 penalty kicks. It is also possible to win with only 3. 74.255.212.2 (talk) 15:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Final Match: kicks from the penalty mark

In the description of the final match between France and Italy the term "penalty shootout" is used to describe the manner in which the match was settled after extra-time failed to produce a winner. The correct term is "kicks from the penalty mark". It is an important distinction because unlike penalty kicks, no penalty (i.e. direct free-kick offense that occurs in the offender's penalty area) actually occurs to lead up to the kicks.

I recognize that even though they are technically incorrect, the terms "penalty shootout" or "penalties" are commonly used to refer to "kicks from the penalty mark" and they are shorter and less cumbersome which is especially nice when you are faced with repeating the term multiple times in one article. I suggest that perhaps the official term be used during the first mention and then one of the shorter terms used subsequently.

It also offers a nice little re-direct link for the curious to the wiki page describing the FIFA rules on kicks from the penalty mark. Vansloot (talk) 01:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Which term do you think readers are more likely to recognise? "Kicks from the penalty mark" or "penalty shootout"? My guess is the former. – PeeJay 08:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Erm, my guess is the latter, by a country mile. I bet even a lot of football fans don't even know the correct term is "Kicks from the penalty mark", whereas even people with minimal knowledge of the game are aware of the concept of a "penalty shoot-out" ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
The fact that many football fans don't even know the correct term is precisely the reason it should be used (maybe just once and then switch to vernacular). One of the things I love about Wikipedia is all the little things I learn when I'm not even intending to learn about them--when I'm looking something else up but one of the hypertexted entries catches my eye and I click on it and learn something new.
This in my opinion, is what will happen when otherwise knowledgeable football fans scanning the article about the 2006 World Cup come across the previously unknown term "kicks from the penalty mark." The idea of an encyclopedia is to teach people about new things--you can't do that if you only use the same old slang terms that are useful and well-known but technically incorrect. Use both and teach folks something new! Vansloot (talk) 04:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
But it's not like anyone has ever referred to a penalty shootout as "kicks from the penalty mark" in common parlance. In fact, I'm fairly sure it's just a phrase conjured up by FIFA when searching for a slightly less colloquial term for a penalty shootout. This is what everyone here would know it as, and this is how it should be titled. – PeeJay 11:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Vansloot. It doesn't matter what people THINK it should be, if that is the official term, it should be written as such. (And then provide a link so people can click on it to understand why it is called that and not what they thought it should be called). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

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Pre Tournament Rankings

These are clearly not correct. I have no idea what they're based on but they are not FIFA Rankings from March 2006. Some are right but others are wrong. Clear examples of incorrect rankings are Mexico at #4 and Spain AND USA at #5. Spain was #6 and Mexico was #7. Argentina and Tunisia are also incorrect. The rankings should be scrubbed and re-done to reflect March 2006 or some other date in 2006 prior to the start of the Cup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.151.131.131 (talk) 18:19, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

They are May 2006. (Don't worry; we've all made mistakes while checking things). Aheyfromhome (talk) 18:31, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Kahn saves in 3rd place match

sorry, I realise this is a minor point ... but I recall that saves Kahn made against Pauleta were actually quite good ones. However, the description sounds like they were easy ones. Anyone object to changing this? See [1] for the harder of the two saves 163.1.247.115 (talk) 00:55, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

sorry the post above was by me MKlaput (talk) 01:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Change of the images of Germany other countries?

Hi, in the German media as well as in the German Wiki version it is said the Germany would have gained a reasonable positive image shift while hosting the World Cup. It is said that the German hosts where seen as joyful and welcoming, attributes that weren't connected at all with them before. I wonder whether that is true (or did the German media made it mostly up)? Cheers, Eltirion (talk) 22:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

FIRST TIME QUALIFIERS

Ukraine were also first time qualifiers weren't they? they are omitted from the opening paragraphs QueenAlexandria (talk) 14:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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game reports

There are lots of game report links to fifa.com which are directing to actual reports. That needs sorting out, fixing. Govvy (talk) 12:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2017

Transfermarkt is not a reliable source for changes in statistics. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 05:41, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

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List Totti as having four assists (instead of three)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 04:59, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

https://www.transfermarkt.com/francesco-totti/nationalmannschaft/spieler/5958 Note that Totti had four assists, one against ghana, one against the Czech Republic, and two against the Ukraine.

Also note in the discussion page I left a fuller argument. There are several errors in attributed assists. The data currently presented seems to be based on an old page Fifa put up but that page seems to be a real mess. Riquelme only had three assists and Figo had four. Figo and Totti were joint leaders in assists.

Not done: Please provide a reliable source. Since most of Transfermarkt's content is user-generated, it is not considered reliable. Sir Sputnik (talk) 05:08, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Not done: also not important as the Assists section is no longer on the page. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 05:12, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Note that the Totti wikipedia article itself in Italian states: "assommando quattro assist e un gol" or 4 assists and one goal for Totti at the 2006 world cup. It's a bit of a paradox. Both entries cannot be correct at the same time. Reason99 (talk) 05:18, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Here is a book entry: https://books.google.ca/books?id=N6qSAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=totti+four+assists+in+world+cup&source=bl&ots=5mliBVkcDB&sig=sO6KKP_2qw71Tlzyzz8qI762t9E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj0vcebnavVAhUq0oMKHc9zCrgQ6AEIVTAH#v=onepage&q=totti%20four%20assists%20in%20world%20cup&f=false


A sports article http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707707-francesco-tottis-football-legacy-as-told-in-10-defining-moments

In both, four assists are cited for totti Reason99 (talk) 05:20, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

It makes no sense to remove assists from this article. It is a key sports statistic. It would be wiser just to establish the correct number of assists and enter them. Or at minimum, to list the "top three" or something to that effect.Reason99 (talk) 05:28, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

No point in this request now, since you already took care of it over at Template:2006 FIFA World Cup assists. Good luck keeping it up there. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 05:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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Assists section

Transfermarkt is not a reliable source for changes in statistics. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 06:06, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hi folks,

New to wikipedia. Please note that the assist section is incorrect. Francesco Totti had four assists.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/francesco-totti/nationalmannschaft/spieler/5958 http://www.beinsports.com/au/football/news/the-mind-boggling-stats-behind-tottis-career/342839

So did Figo

https://www.transfermarkt.com/luis-figo/nationalmannschaft/spieler/3446

Riquelme only had three assists.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/juan-riquelme/nationalmannschaft/spieler/3854


Note I have already corrected this directly on the dedicated 2006 world cup statistics article. But it should be fixed in this entry as well.

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Translation of slogan (A time to make friends)

Hello, the translation of the slogan "A time to make friends" is grammatically wrong. Nouns like "Zeit" and "Freunde" must start with a capital letter in German. But the official german slogan of the World Cup was "Die Welt zu Gast bei Freunden". I think this one should be displayed on the article. 185.39.64.136 (talk) 19:51, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

also a re-FIFA World Cup

From the lead section (the first was in 1974 as West Germany and also a re-FIFA World Cup. What is a "re-FIFA" World Cup? The phrasing with the also implies that we already know 2006 was a re-Fifa WC, but I don't see it mentioned anywhere else in lead(or article). Anyone have any clarification on this? I'm not familiar with the term, and google brings up nothing. WikiVirusC(talk) 15:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2018

The bribery section as first and characterizing topic is outrageous. It is pure anti-German propaganda, probably written by British or Polish haters, with their obsession of evil Germany (one time Nazi always Nazi).

None of the bribery allegations have been proven.

Besides, several other recent World Cups involved bribery and corruption of the FIFA.

Thus, I demand that theses articles are similarly organized: Bribery and even non-proven allegations etc. as first paragraph. Otherwise this article on the World Cup 2006 should be changed in a fair manner.2001:628:2120:604:8D2D:518C:9FB0:3CD5 (talk) 13:19, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:24, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
It is so absurd: These bribery and corruption ALLEGATIONS are not proven, but should characterize the extremely successful World Cup in the English Wikipedia. The anti-German attitude is so obvious.

The bias is clear when we look at other World Cup articles:

  1. 2002: It is not even mentioned that the votes for the bid were directly bought. Moreover, the serious manipulation allegations concerning South Koreas wins are mentioned in a single sentence at the end of the article. Both has to be moved to the beginning, if there are not double standards.
  2. 1998: A small bribery section compared to the inflated section of the 2006 World Cup.
  3. 1994: The central figure of bringing the World Cup to the US was one of the most corrupt FIFA officials, Chuck Blazer, but he is not even mentioned in the article. It is most unlikely that no corruption was involved. However, typically for this Wikipedia like everything that happens in English speaking countries seems wonderful, white-washed, while all other World Cups are allegedly corrupted.
  4. 1990 to 1930: Everything appears to be clean, but who can believe this nonsense. --217.149.160.126 (talk) 08:54, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
The section has citations, have you even reviewed those sources or are you just complaining? Govvy (talk) 09:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2021

I can improve this page, i have already improve the 1994 and 1998 World Cup pages GBT00 (talk) 00:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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Inline link RfC

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It's clear that this is the same question that is being asked at Talk:2022 FIFA World Cup#Inline link RfC, so I'm closing this per WP:MULTI and WP:FORUMSHOP. I may close the first one too: I'm still undecided on that matter. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Should the name of the host nation include an inline link to the nation's article? For example, should the first instance of the word "Germany" be bracketed so as to provide a link to Germany? Rowsdower45 (talk) 06:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

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