Talk:2005 Pacific hurricane season/Archive 1

Before July

Wikinews

I will be attempting to submit appropriate updates to Wikinews as well; I need to learn their methods though. I've submitted one for the storm forming and threatening Central America. --Golbez 05:24, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Adrian is expected to become a weak hurricane before it makes landfall in El Salvador.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Timeline

I moved the timeline beneath the storm summaries, since I feel the summaries offer more info than the timeline does. It's going to be moved to its own article at the end of the season anyways. --tomf688^(talk) 01:49, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews part 2

OK, folks, this is a warmup for the much more important (at least as far as clicks are concerned, no one in Central America right now should take this as a slight. I mean for Wikipedia, for publicity, for getting our name out) Atlantic season. Last year, we either didn't have Wikinews, or none of us felt it up to snuff to either make articles for it, or link them if they did exist.

I'm making Wikinews for every major milestone along Adrian's course, and plan to make them for each subsequent storm, regardless of impact. (Well, I mean, I would make one about the formation of Karl, and maybe the dissipation, and that's it. And time will tell if this is necessary)

ANYWAY.

So far, I've linked every story (two so far) under Adrian. Now, this could get long for a large storm, but then again, a large storm will get its own article (Adrian will likely deserve one before the week is out) and thus have room for a long list of links.

Now imagine if we have another Hurricane Jeanne or Ivan this year, and everyone who comes to look at the article sees links to Wikinews articles.

I would daresay it's the best advertising Wikinews can get. We all know how powerful the storm articles were last year; the Hurricane Frances article was, IIRC (And I could be very wrong), for a while, the most read article on Wikipedia. If we even only get 1% of clickthroughs to Wikinews, that could be a huge boon for that site; maybe they're better off, I don't know, I've been remiss in my duties there.

My point is, let's see how this style works here, and I suggest we implement it on the Atlantic page. It couldn't hurt. Yes, the Wikinews article at present is mostly a clone of the Wikipedia article, but the differences are, the Wikinews article has the ability to expand beyond that, especially with local reports which would be just awesome. Also, the Wikinews article will still be there - so even after this article says "Adrian dissipated on this and that date", there will still be articles chronicling its formation, strengthening, strike, and effects. So while Wikipedia remains up to date, Wikinews serves as a useful archive outside of the history page.

Any comments? I'll be xposting this to the Atlantic season. --Golbez 18:27, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

I'd suggest that we keep only the latest wikinews link here in the wikinews template, or just keep links to major events (tropical storm maturity, hurricane maturity, landfall, aftermath). If you are going to post a Wikinews article everytime something develops, then the list will get rather long on this page and/or the storm's own page.

Nevertheless, I agree it will be a good method to get Wikinews some publicity. The Hurricane season articles were popular last year, and I believe you are right about Ivan or whichever storm it was being the most-viewed.

I figure the only Wikinews articles that would be made are: [ALL SITUATIONS HYPOTHETICAL] Creation (Adrian formed), Minor Intensification IF threatening land (Adrian became hurricane near Central America), Major Intensification EVEN IF NOT threatening land (Adrian became Category 5 hurricane in middle of ocean), Threatening land (Adrian about to slap El Salvador), striking land (Adrian makes landfall over El Salvador), dissipation (Adrian ded), and effects (Adrian killed 15 and destroyed 80 homes). Seven articles max, unless the effects are particularly harsh. (Jeanne for example would have been worthy of several articles) or if the storm is particularly unique (France's crawl, Ivan's resurrection).

You do make a point though - It would saturate the article. So I propose this: We make some kind of disambig page on Wikinews, if possible, or link to a hurricane season category, again if possible. I don't yet know Wikinews' style; In fact, I should post this there on their water cooler to get their thoughts on it. However, in the case of a storm deserving its own article, all Wikinews articles should be linked. This can of course be changed and adapted as needed. I'm just trying to get some [very useful] cross-pollination going on.

And of course, by far, the best-case scenario is if we have actual Wikinews reporters in strike zones submitting photos and stories. Then we could repeatedly reference that in the storm article, getting them even more press. --Golbez 20:56, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

My 2c --tomf688^(talk) 18:42, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not aware of the structure over at Wikinews. Do Wikinews articles about a certain topic have an index page that could be pointed at? Pointing at the current article and the archive index would probably do best. -- Cyrius|✎ 20:13, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I believe subsections can be made, but not entirely sure. --tomf688^(talk) 20:20, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

2005 Eastern Pacific hurricane season, etc.?

Since these articles do not deal with western pacific storms, shouldn't these articles and categories be re-named "Eastern Pacific" and not "Pacific" in general? The NWS also refers to these as "Eastern Pacific." --tomf688^(talk) 19:55, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

The page for the western Pacific would be 2005 Pacific typhoon season. The storms in the western Pacific are not called hurricanes, and the storms in the eastern Pacific are not called typhoons. While a brief explanation might be necessary, the title is not ambiguous to a reasonably informed reader. -- Cyrius|✎ 20:12, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Good point; didn't think of the hurricane/typhoon naming. ;) --tomf688^(talk) 20:20, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I was specific when I made this. I had a draft for a 2004 Pacific typhoon season built, but due to lack of a single source of info, it got left behind. I may try again for 2005 or 2006, using the Unisys archives. But the typhoon "season" isn't nearly as well documented as the hurricane seasons; the storms are, the season isn't. And yes - all storms in this hemisphere in the northern Pacific are hurricanes. This article handles the Eastern Pacific season (E of 140W), run by the NHC, and the Central Pacific season (180W-140W), handled by the Central Pacific Hurricane Center. But the key is, *both* seasons are called hurricanes, and since the Central pacific sector is so inactive (in 2004 there was a single TD), it makes no sense to split that out. It might as well piggyback - and another reason is, eastern pacific storms can easily cross over into central pacific. The Central Pacific season/naming is only for storms that FORM there, which is very rare. And I think the indicator of the scope is sufficient, but I could add in a mention of typhoons. --Golbez 20:46, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

While the Central Pacific is the second least active basin (behind the South Atlantic), tropical cyclones form there more often than you think. I heard an average once but I've forgotten it. It was something like at least one named storm every other year, or every two years...The reason for this comparatively low activity is primarily due to the water temperature being fairly cold. Another reason is that the Central Pacific is the smallest basin on the planet. More tropical cyclones pass through there from somewhere else. It's like a small town in the Midwest: you have a better chance of passing through there than being born there. As I recall, Iniki of 1992 was both the strongest and costliest storm to have formed there. Since 2000, 5 named storms have formed there (Upana, Wene, Alika, Ele, and Huko). In that same period, the East Pacific saw 74 named storms (39 tropical storms, 33 hurricanes, 12 major hurricanes) and the Atlantic saw the same number: 74 (34 tropical storms, 37 hurricanes, 18 major hurricanes, 2 subtropical storms). This includes the storms that have formed so far this season.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 17:39, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

After July

Naming question

If a tropical depression were to form in the Eastern Pacific (Tropical Depression x-E), stay that way past 140°W (never becoming a tropical storm) then strengthen to a tropical storm west of 140 in the Central Pacific, would it be named as a Central Pacific storm (where it strengthened) or Eastern Pacific (where it originally formed)? CrazyC83 01:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

From my understanding, it would be given a Central Pacific name. That's what was done for the infamous Hurricane Iniki, the only Pacific hurricane ever to make landfall in the US (Hawaii).

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 21:39, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Right. The basin monitor names storms. If it is named while in the EPac sphere of influence, the NHC names it. If it is named while in the CPac sphere of influence, the CPHC names it. It all matters where it is named, not where it originally formed or was even numbered. I think. I don't know what TD number Iniki was; records probably don't say. --Golbez 23:47, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

They sure do, Tropical Depression Eighteen-E. Part of the most active season on record in the East Pacific. I'd love to see some good satellite photos of that season, but there just aren't many around. Iniki and Tina are the only ones I've been able to find.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 21:52, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Central Pacific Hurricane Names

I've almost completed a list of translations for the Central Pacific hurricane names. Seven still elude me: Ele, Loke, Oko, Upana, Ulia, Ulika, and Wene. Others left blank are self-explanitory (like Ana). I got these translations from here: [1]. By the way, Golbez, Iniki is indeed Hawaiian for Enid. CHPC says so in their report; see here: [2] Here's what I have:

Akoni (Anthony)	Aka (Ada)	Alika (Alex)	Ana
Ema (Emma)	Ekeka (Edgar)	Ele	Ela
Hana	Hali (Holly)	Huko (Hugo)	Halola (Harold)
Io (Jo)	Iolana (Yolanda)	Ioke (Joyce)	Iune (June)
Keli	Keoni (John)	Kika (Keith)	Kimo (James)
Lala (Lara)	Li	Lana	Loke
Moke (Moses)	Mele (Mary)	Maka (Mack)	Malia (Myra)
Nele (Nell)	Nona	Neki (Ned)	Niala (Neal)
Oka (Oscar)	Oliwa (Olivia)	Oleka (Olga)	Oko
Peke (Betty)	Paka (Pat)	Peni	Pali (Polly)
Uleki (Ulysses)	Upana	Ulia	Ulika
Wila (Vera)	Wene	Wali	Walaka (Ward)

If anyone can find those seven names, I'd love it.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Wow, interesting. I stand both corrected and educated :) --Golbez 00:54, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Let's see: Wene is Wayne, Upana is Urban (I know, but it's from the CPAC website), Oliwa is actually Oliver, Iniki is Enid, Peke is actually Betsy, and Iwa is Thief (For a bird who steals fish)

Where did you get that...whoever you are?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Here we are.

Well, I'm in Hilo, Hawaii and I can tell you that staring at 4 possible hurricanes in a row makes me feel uneasy. Everyone here is "Oh, they never hit here." Blah! That's what everyone said in New Orleans! We'll see what happens. Ye-haw. ~Me

Looks like you've been spared, Jova's turning north away from Hawaii.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Hawaii still has to watch out for this. [3] --Revolución (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Page editing problems

The Otis addition has overwritten the Max information...seems like a Wiki problem, since if I do an edit preview, it shows up properly... CrazyC83 15:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Odd... -- RattleMan 15:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I get "WARNING: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be removed." whenever I try to edit the current version. I recommend NOT using section editing as this really rots it up. I have reconstructed a correct up-to-date page.--Keith Edkins 15:42, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I got the same message and now it lists Lidia, Max and Jova as being current. Something's screwed up here. Has anyone contacted an administrator?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 19:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

NOW it's messed up for me. Jova, Kenneth, Otis, and Norma have the current under them (Norma is at the bottom of the storms list!). The timeline goes to Norma forming on Sept 23, and Otis is listed as unused in the 2005 storm names. What is going on here?! O_O -- RattleMan 19:12, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

It seems to be editing OK today.--Keith Edkins 09:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Is it possible that the problem occurred because too many people were updating the page at the same time? 147.70.242.21 21:27, 7 October 2005 (UTC)