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Page layout years[edit]

There is a discussion on my talk page on page layout.

For most of the last three hundred years there is inconsistency and duplication between the year in topic paragraph, the "see also" box and what is on the year by topic pages. Prior to 1950 I am pretty convinced we can painlessly (except for sore fingers) delete all of the year in topic paragraphs and ensure that the material goes into a "see also" box, creating such a box where none exists. Post 1950, particularly from the "year in US television" link a lot of material has been added to this paragraph as highlights (sometimes making up most of the page content pointed at).

Personally I think we should still delete the paragraph, keep the box linking to the topic sites and move any particularly important parts of the year in topic paragraph to the main chronological list. This does involve undoing quite a bit of work which someone has done.

Therefore, unlike for prior to 1950 (where I've said no objection= I do it) for post 1950 I won't touch these pages unless a significant number of people agree with the change. (I am also unlikely to get the pre 1950 stuff done before summer unless the service speed improves dramatically). (talk)--BozMo 14:22, 7 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Munich deaths (done)[edit]

The Munich disaster is mentioned in the events section, though should some of the more notable Manchester Utd players be mentioned in the deaths section - eg Duncan Edwards? 7+1 19:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

meanwhile, there is an own article : Munich air disaster . I gave put that link into the article => imo it's not necessary to mention certain players (are they really notable even today ?)
in de.wikipedia.org (German) there is also a quite detailed article about that disaster: British-European-Airways-Flug 609 --Neun-x (talk) 08:46, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Formula One[edit]

The first ever British F1 world champion,Yorkshireman ,Mike Hawthorn won the title on the 19th October 1958 Casablanca Morocco 🇲🇦 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.192.210 (talk) 11:54, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of April 1958 into 1958#April[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was Do not merge. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:56, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

consistency: the other months are just redirects to the relevant section on the year's article -MPGuy2824 (talk) 01:56, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: There is a category of months in the 1950's which has 73 items. It is clear that two different forms of lists for months exist. --Whiteguru (talk) 01:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: In addition, January 1958, February 1958 and March 1958 have been created in the past six weeks, consistent with other Months in the 1950's articles, which are in turn a subcategory of the Months in the 20th century project, which have followed a consistent format over the next decade. The objective of these articles is to make something that features citations to reliable and verifiable sources, something that is not a priority in a more "fun" article such as 1958. As a rule, the redirects are not undone until there is something of substance that can replace them. Mandsford 22:01, 29 May 2022 (UTC) 14:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: This is an ongoing project. Deb (talk) 06:51, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

collage[edit]

what images should be on the 1958 collage. 4me689 (talk) 02:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is it wrong to describe a painting that describes 1958?[edit]

I think it's a good idea to put a picture that describes 1958. There's no problem, right? Celebration99 (talk) 21:43, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clockwise, from top left: The protester who was injured during the May 1958 crisis in France and was urgently taken to receive medical treatment ; Gamal Abdel-Nasser and Shukri al-Quwatli signing the Syria-Egypt union pact that formed United Arab Republic; U.S. Marines invade Lebanon to protect regime from 1958 Lebanon crisis; People were required to produce more steel during the Great Leap Forward, which indirectly led to the subsequent famine; Momofuku Ando invented instant noodles; Explorer 1 in its orbital configuration, the first satellite launched by the United States; Tennis for Two becomes the First pure Entertainment video game; Pelé scoring a goal in the 1958 World Cup final.
Because that version of the collage may have some US-centric biases, such as the 1958 Lituya Bay earthquake and megatsunami, which only caused 5 deaths. The general standard for selecting earthquake images for the collage is at least 10000+ deaths (such as the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, 2011 Japan earthquake, 2001 Gujarat earthquake and 2003 Bam earthquake) or significant economic losses (such as the 1994 Northridge earthquake, 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake, 2009 L'Aquila earthquake and 2017 Puebla earthquake). Additionally, the first American satellite is not worthy of being placed in the center of the collage because it was only the first American satellite, not the first satellite in the world. @4me689 And, I made this version of the collage. What do you think of it? Is there anything that needs to be replaced? Nagae Iku (talk) 06:06, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
i think this collage looks good. 4me689 (talk) 12:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"People were required to produce more steel during the Great Leap Forward, which indirectly led to the subsequent famine" is SYNTH, for a start. Captions must be very short and to the point. Same with Tennis for Two. It's also not a very attractive collage: all the black and white images seem to be running together and it's difficult to make out where one ends and another begins. Deb (talk) 12:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, I think we can try to shorten the captions to get to the point, I think also we can try to get color images, but some of the events may not have color images available. 4me689 (talk) 13:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1. The Great Leap Forward did indirectly cause Great Chinese Famine, as mentioned in the preface of these two articles, and these are the referenced sources:
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/resolution-certain-questions-history-our-party-founding-peoples-republic-china
https://www.gov.cn/test/2008-06/23/content_1024934_2.htm
https://mises.org/library/death-camp-communist-china
These materials have been used in both the English and Chinese versions of these two articles.
2. I believe that Tennis for Two has significant historical significance in the world of video games. If you think it should be replaced, I also offer a few candidates: Munich air disaster, Our Lady of the Angels School fire, 1958 Iraqi military coup, 1958 Pakistani military coup, 1958 Venezuelan coup d'état and Typhoon Ida (1958).
3. Solving this problem is difficult because most photos from that era are black and white, which is undeniable. Additionally, adding a dividing line in a collage is unsightly, but I think the problem can be solved by changing the layout of the collage to allow for the interleaving distribution of color and black-and-white images. Nagae Iku (talk) 05:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The Great Leap Forward did indirectly cause Great Chinese Famine" - even if that can be proven, it doesn't belong in the caption. Deb (talk) 08:07, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because there are no images of the Chinese Great Famine on Wikimedia Commons, only images of the Great Leap Forward, and these two events are essentially one and the same, they should not be separated. The Chinese Great Famine resulted in 30 million deaths, making it the deadliest or second deadliest famine event in the world. It is important and must have a place in the collage.
Also, you have not yet responded to my last two answers. Nagae Iku (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If the events were one and the same, there wouldn't be two separate articles. Choose one or the other. Deb (talk) 15:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I should put it in a different way. The Great Chinese Famine was a part of the Great Leap Forward. Just as you strongly requested in your 1991 collages, merge the Dissolution of the Soviet Union and the 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt into one grid, because this coup was a part of the process of the Soviet Union's dissolution and it represented the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Of course, I know that you have various objections to collage, and your purpose is simply to delay the process of integrating collage into the article. My few words cannot change your attitude towards collage. Nagae Iku (talk) 07:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ask yourself, though, if the mega tsunami took place in another country, like Norway, would it be included? DementiaGaming (talk) 01:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If the tsunami caused enough deaths,or if there weren't many other powerful events that year, it can be included in the collage of that year. For example, 2012 Indian Ocean earthquakes had a magnitude of M8.2, but it only caused 12 deaths, so it did not have a place in the collage for that year. Similarly, 2005 Nias–Simeulue earthquake caused 913-1314 casualties and had a magnitude of M8.6, but there were many other strong competitive events that year, so it could not occupy a spot in the collage, such as 2005 Kashmir earthquake, which caused 87,351 deaths, could not occupy a space either. Nagae Iku (talk) 05:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The eruption of Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai in 2022 killed only 6 people but was included on the collage. DementiaGaming (talk) 16:37, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because this volcanic eruption was the largest volcanic eruption in terms of magnitude to date in the 21st century, it caused Tonga to be disconnected for several days and resulted in more than 90 million dollars in losses. Almost all the countries along the Pacific coast were affected by the tsunami to some extent, which meets the criteria for an "international event" in a collage. In contrast, the tsunami in the Lituya Bay caused almost no economic damage and its impact was mostly limited to the bay itself. Nagae Iku (talk) 18:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A painting? What do you mean? Deb (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He probably means collage. 4me689 (talk) 13:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Collage depreciation[edit]

Discussion started by blocked sock 33ABGirl (talk) 05:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Years#Lead_image, a discussion on whether to depreciate collages in general in going on. Please share your thoughts.--Marginataen (talk) 21:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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