Talk:1883 eruption of Krakatoa/Archive 1

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--JeffGBot (talk) 23:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

"Shot Heard 'Round the World?"

It says in the section to the right side of the article, the one containing the 1888 lithograph, that Krakatoa's explosion was heard "across the world". I don't know exactly how far and wide it was heard, but I somehow doubt that that's it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.11.145 (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The sound of the explosion was heard in Perth, Western Australia, Rodrigues Island in the Indian Ocean and as far as China - about 25% of the world's surface. What did travel world-wide was the pressure wave from the explosion. The barographs recorded the pressure wave passing seven times around the world. Considering that by 21st Century standards they were relatively crude it is possible that should a similar explosion occur now, that pressure wave would be recorded more than seven times. Until then the Krakatau explosion remains the most powerful explosion known - dwarfing th emost powerful thermonuclear explosion that has ever occurred. Incidentally the spelling of the volcanoes name is wrong. It should be spelt KRAKATAU not the way it is in this article - that misspelling occurred somewhere along the telegraph cable limking the region to Europe and was used by the Times newspaper when it reported it. Today most volcanologists use the Indonesian spelling.The Geologist (talk) 14:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

The article notes that Krakatoa was the largest explosion in human history, but the Tambora episode was significantly larger. --108.205.218.123 (talk) 02:38, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Removed the claim. HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Note: the above assessments and tags were for the single Krakatoa article - and may no longer be relevant to this offshoot article

Tambora is not recorded as having been known about beyond the local area. Krakatau was heard over approximately 25% of the World's surface. There is no indication that the explosion at Tambora was heard over such a large area. The pressure wave is known travelled 7 times around the world. Hence Krakatau remains the largest explosion recorded in history.The Geologist (talk) 15:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Titanic

Someone recently changed "titanic" to "gigantic." I think "titanic" is a much better word here. "Gigantic" just means big, but "titanic" means "powerful" in addition to "big." The word derives from Titan (mythology), which were "giant deities of incredible strength." It seems like the perfect word to me. Kendall-K1 (talk) 11:51, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Pic of Krakatoa during 1883

i found a pic of krakatoa during 1883 http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=0602-00=&volpage=photos&photo=010027 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.39.162.251 (talk) 16:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

No photographs pre- or syn- eruption exist. Any that claim to be such are fake.The Geologist (talk) 14:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Several photographs (at least 2) were taken by the May 1883 excursion of Perboewatan erupting, and at least one from the landing spot. These are reproduced in the centennary book- they are NOT new discoveries (one was reproduced in Furneaux's 1964 book). The Geologist needs to check his sources before he shoots his mouth off. (The pictures at the website cited above are all recent shots of Anak K.) CFLeon (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

CFLeon- tut-tut what typically bad manners you present. You do your case no favors. Despite extensive searching THERE ARE NO PHOTOGRAPHS of the August eruption exist. Simple fact no-one was near the volcano when it exploded. I am a volcanologist and any, and I mean, any images that claim to show the eruption simply do not. Verbeek et al were all elsewhere when Krakatau exploded. Also the expression "Shooting your mouth off," is a favorite expression of those who actually have lost the argument before they opened their mouth. As you are not a scientist how can you claim to speak about scientific matters - unless you are one of the well known pseudo-scientists who know more than those of us who work as qualified scientists. [unsigned]

Geologist: Wikipedia strongly discourages personal attacks. You have no idea whether CFLeon is a scientist or not. The fact that you are a geologist doesn't make you correct. It's an argument from authority - a spurious argument and logical fallacy. The point of talk pages is to improve Wikipedia articles, not to argue about the fact that your degree is bigger than CFLeon's. CFLeon cites a reliable source, so he is right and you are wrong. Senor Cuete (talk) 16:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Also Wikipedia wants you to sign your posts with four tildes. Senor Cuete (talk) 16:06, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

I NEVER claimed that there were any photographs taken in AUGUST. You claimed that there were no photos of the 1883 eruption AT ALL (to quote: "No photographs PRE- or syn- eruption exist"; my emphesis), and I referred you to a 30-year old major source with several pictures taken in May, 1883 (the 1883 eruption began on May 20, with the paroximal phase August 26-27). I gave MY sources, including one over 50 years old, both of which are widely available and which anyone with even a BASIC interest in Krakatoa SHOULD have known of, let alone an "expert". (I found the Furnaeux book when I was 10 years old- it inspired my interest in Krakatoa.) Manners (oh, and as far bad manners: why do you use "what typically bad manners"- you don't know me) and degrees aside (and I only called you on your arrogance of your absolute claim), the photos are reproduced where I said they are- which obviously you have not even bother to LOOK at to verify (which is what I meant by "shooting your mouth off"; which you continue to do- it doesn't take a degree to read and see facts in front of you). Serious question: if you ARE such an expert, why don't you seem to know of the centenuary book (Simkin & Fiske)?? CFLeon (talk) 18:53, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Name

I would like the local name of the volcano to be referenced as although "Krakatoa" is the usual English spelling now, the local and historical name "Krakatau" is still used (as mentioned) by vulcanologists and locally (except by people talking to English tourists, apparently :-) ) When I was very young the English pronunciation was still "krakator", apparently an English rendering of the Dutch spelling "Krakatau" on contemporary maps. But at some point (long before the 1960s IIRR) a journalist rendered the name "krakator" as "krakatoa", which is a reasonable spelling given English words like boar and hoarde ... but as it doesn't normally appear at the end of words, people seem to have picked it up as "krakatoh-ah" as per today. And maybe by analogy with "Samoa" (which is apparently itself a mispronunciation and also a different language, but that's another topic). I see it is already in the main Krakatoa article. Anyway I have entered a reference to the local name in this article. 212.159.59.41 (talk) 14:00, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Climactic phase; which explosion was largest?

The first part of the section states that the third explosion was the largest, but the subsection on the final final explosion implies that it (the final fourth) was the largest. Unless I’ve misread it. ZFT (talk) 00:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@ZFT and others: I removed the "fourth and final" text and the contradiction banner. I also added an hidden comment that says, if anyone has a copy of Winchester's Krakatoa, please check on pages 248 and 235. If it does say the fourth explosion then we have a problem of competing sources. Which one is most reliable? --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 21:20, 29 December 2018 (UTC)