Talk:+44 (band)/Archive 1

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Archive 1

The unicorn

The only known source for the unicorn corporate america metaphor was posted in the comments of a fansite. It is unsubstanciated and unreferenced. If you can give this metaphor any credibility, please feel free to comment and revert the page.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.253.176.67 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 17 February 2006.

I agree. --Greedy 18:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

I don't know if it happens for everyone, but the picture of travis is covering up some text on my screen. does anyone know how to fix that? also, i think Carol deserves a picture, as well. there a bunch of pictures at this site: http://www.ladyfesttx.org/2003/2003Fest/GetTheGirl/ . I would do this stuff if i knew how... Drewface 05:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm having that problem too (I'm using Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.1 [Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Firefox/1.5.0.1]).--Greedy 00:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Plus-44 sixty second song?

Hello everyone, I removed the sentence On February 26, 2006 a sixty-second clip of a song was released that many suspect is Plus-44. The clip has a very electronic, synth feel to it, and would be a huge change of pace for punk rock veterans, Mark Hoppus and Travis Barker.. If anyone has any sources for this please post them here. --Greedy 03:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Unless with get confirmation that this is a Plus-44 song it does not belong in the article.

[[1]]-Cory pratt

I corrected your link, it was wrong. Now it works. ;) --Greedy 20:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

You da man Greedy, You da man : )-Cory pratt

Yey! Thanks :P ... back to ( +44 )... I listened to it... but where did you get it? How can it be related to ( +44 )?--Greedy 21:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC) (I'm da man)

I got it off of a Plus-44 message board. And it has got to be related to the band because the demo has a very strong synth feel to it.-Cory pratt

Website

I'm sort of confused on which site is Plus-44's official site. Is it www.plus-44.com or www.plusfourtyfour.com? The former still has "No It Isn't" playing on the site, while the latter seems to be what most people reference when referring to the "official Plus-44 site." Any clarification on this would be greatly appreciated. Drewface 23:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

It's this one [[2]] it just hasn't really been launched yet -Cory pratt

"Here We Go"

I'm afraid that the supposed title "Here We Go" was a Fool's day joke by the punkdisasters.com webmaster.

It's 100% fake.

Happy Fool's Day! --Zingazin 17:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

People removing links without reason

I originally had my External link posted below the plus44.tk link (my link was the last one)

New links have been added at the bottom, but recently people have been removing my link:

Plus 44 UK UK Plus 44 website, with media and a forum

So I replace it and after a day or so it has gone again without any explanation, which is very annoying.

A lot of my site traffic comes from that link, Please leave it alone, there is nothing wrong with it and the site is as described.

The last user to change it had the following IP: 168.171.228.22

--toypaj 00:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not the one who removed the link but I can see why others may think the link is redundant since there is not a lot of content on the site (yet). --MrPink 16:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I just read Wikipedia's policy on linking. Here's what it says:

When you should link externally : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/When_should_I_link_externally

“…Not very often. If the site you are linking to is an article, history or timeline, then wikipedia should have its own article on that subject, not just an external link. The web is already full past capacity of sites composed of links to other sites.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links

specifically adds:

“Links to normally avoid: A website that you own or maintain (unless it is the official site of the subject of the article). If it is relevant and informative, mention it as a possible link on the talk page and wait for someone else to include it, or include the information directly in the article.”

If you are looking for a way to increase traffic to your site, there are Directory sites such as Yahoo. Wikipedia is not a directory. --MrPink 22:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

4th member?

I see a lot of people adding/removing Shane Gallagher from the list of members. Although it's not official yet, Mark Hoppus did mention "Shane Gallagher from Plus-44" in his 11th podcast. Should he be included or not? Please vote!

--MrPink 20:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Included--Zingazin 17:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Shane Gallagher is a member as well as Craig Fairbaugh. Carol is no longer a member.

As of early 2006 Mark posted a bulletin saying Carol was still in the band. Who is Craig Fairbough? What are your sources?--MrPink 15:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

He is a member of Plus 44 now, formerly of Lars and the Bastards, The Forgotten & Transplants. My source is the band themselves.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.9.90.152 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 28 April 2006.

I'm sorry, but that isn't an addmited source.--Zingazin 18:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if this is still an issue of contention, but they did confirm them in a recent article (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1536871/20060721/hoppus_mar%20k.jhtml?headlines=true%20there%20now%20shut%20up).

"And there have been plenty of changes: Original vocalist Carol Heller is gone, replaced by a pair of guitarists: Craig Fairbaugh and Shane Gallagher. Producer Dan "The Automator" Nakamura was called in to tinker with a track. And finally — and most importantly — the band's sound underwent a rather drastic transformation. And to that end, it's no longer entirely correct to refer to Plus as merely an "electronic" act.

"At first, we had the idea that it would have a lot of electronic influences, because by necessity we were recording on a computer. But then we bought this studio, and after we moved the band into here, the whole vibe changed," Hoppus said. "There's all kinds of stuff going on. Guitars mixed with keyboards, and electronic drums mixed with live drums. It's based on guitars and rhythms, and both Shane and Craig are great guitar players."" Onikage725

Tagline

is the paragraph discussing the taglines really necessary considering there's that spiffy little chart thing at the bottom with them all listed? 71.225.248.138 02:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

References

Since the article currently relies mainly on interviews and things are very likely to change (Which we all know they already have), it is essential writers cite their sources. I have created a new reference section while doing some changes today, so please use references in the future. To learn more about references read Wikipedia:Citing sources. Thanks. Ido50 17:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Genre specification

Who removed punk rock from the band's genre and why?
-- Ido50 13:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

+44 vs (+44)

i think the arcticle should be moved to the +44 arcticle.

they changed their display name on myspace from (+44) to +44 and on MTV2 the when your heart stops beating video said +44 and not (+44).

and the album cover says +44.

so, it really should be moved.

Maybe so, but the anonymous user that keeps doing this isn't doing an actual page move...they're just redirecting it to +44 and copying the page over. This means the history and talk page aren't transferred over. (See WP:MOVE for more info.) GrahameS 04:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

i dont know how to move.

someone do it for me please???? IM DESPERATE!!!!!!!!....please :)

Also, please sign your comments/messages with ~~~~. ~ E meZ x X ` 12:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Please tell me an admin cleaned the history. I'm going to move it back. Moving pages can only be done by users; PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't copy and paste. -- Chris speranza! chat edits 05:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The article should be moved back to (+44) pending further discussion. --Jamdav86 20:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Jamdav86, please give reasons supporting the name being officially (+44). On their myspace page (http://www.myspace.com/plus44) their name is listed as +44 as well as is listed on their official homepage (http://www.plusfortyfour.com/), not to mention other sources which rarely list names incorrectly (e.g. iTunes Store). If you cannot provide reasons, all text on the article will be changed to +44 and if you choose to go against sound reasoning beyond that an administrator will be blocking your account and/or IP address brandon.macuser 00:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no way that you can find out this information. Pages such as www.44disasters.com switch between the two, shops such as HMV list them under (+44) while Amazon.co.uk list them as +44 (but calling the album "When Your Heart")... it's just a silly thing to be throwing a fit about. I was merely suggesting that the article remain at the old name until we could reach an agreement, as per Wikipedia policy, but I shall find something better to do with my time than arguing about wheter there are brackets in a band's name. --Jamdav86 20:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It's definately (+44). It was named after the connection on the phone when they came up with the idea of the band. One of them was in London, and one was in LA, so he had to put in (+44) at the start of the number, that's why they're called that.--Bloberto 19:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

That does not necessarily mean it's spelt (+44), however. --Jamdav86 19:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

When your heart stops beating

Are you guys sure this single hasn't charted in any charts? ~~ Pwnallicious ~~

go to www.billboard.com then on the side of the page type (+44) the when you get redirected on the top clik Artist chart history then click singles if it did it should tell youJimmypop1994 13:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

actually heres a more direct link, http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=747196&model.vnuAlbumId=798875 it has charteed on the modern rock tracks at #24 so far

Thanks, I guess they're not in the hot 100

Quick move to previous name

I propose that the article be put back to (+44) pending prolonged discussion of actual page name. --Jamdav86 20:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd say go ahead and discuss where it should be, and then we can move it back if that seems necessary. We don't really like to move things back just so we can talk about whether they should have been moved in the first place. The best thing is to have the discussion, and then do whatever gets decided. -GTBacchus^(talk) 09:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally I'm for a move back; the latest news post on their official site refers to (+44)[3], and both MTV[4] and MTV2[5] now use (+44). I do admit that both are used interchangeably, even by the band themselves, so there'll always be some debate over the name, but (+44) seems to be the most common, and most official ShakingSpirit ^talk 10:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you list the page at WP:RM in the current dated section and follow the procedure there for setting up a move survey on this page. That's the best way for getting moves done when it seems there's any disagreement, as in this case. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture

Does anyone have a picture of the band? If not, we could move the cover art to the infobox until someone finds one. Nick.dilallo@gmail.com 05:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)