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Oregon Territory/the western US

Didn't the British let beaver trappers and fur traders into the western US territories? Me6620 (talk) 04:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes you're correct, the British were present yet failed to taken hold in the Oregon Territory, a former colonial claim of British North America from the late 1700's to 1846 when the US officially annexed Oregon to become a state in 1859, while the northern half became Washington (state) in 1889. The British kept land claims north of the 49 N Parallel to become the Canadian province of British Columbia to this day. + Mike D 26 (talk) 05:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Where is the Oregon Territory that was shared between the United States of America and the British Empire which caused quite a lot of struggle. The Oregon County and Boundry Dispute. Does this ring a bell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.115.81 (talk) 14:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The British claimed all of the Oregon Country in western North America. Shouldn't that be colo(u)red on the map? Rreagan007 (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Oregon Country be part of this map? It was a part of the British Empire; the northern half is still part of the British Commonwealth... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canationalist (talk • contribs)

I agree, that should be highlighted HawkShark (talk) 22:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

It is not shown on maps of the B.E. in any of the listed references in the British Empire. Per WP:NOR, therefore, it is not shown on the map. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick ^t 22:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

It is, however, listed as part of the British Empire in innumerable references, and images are exempt from OR rules, so if you'd like, it would be perfectly acceptable to add the remainder of the Oregon Country. Its absence struck me immediately upon seeing the image. Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 15:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

So what are these references then? List them. The graphics may be exempt from OR rules but not the claims that the images make. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick ^t 09:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

If the Thirteen Colonies are mentioned then surely Oregon should be mentioned?--Abc26324 (talk) 14:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC) Yes Origen country should be their--24.187.201.202 (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the relevant areas of current-day northwestern USA should be included in this map. Is the only opponent to this someone who resides there currently?82.2.27.34 (talk) 13:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC) agreed oregon should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloke100 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

So why is it that the map was never changed to reflect this? I notice people decide things alot on wikipedia and then do not do them. 71.233.49.248 (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

You notice that, do you? Well, we were waiting for some references. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick ^t 22:51, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty well known information. Is 3 years enough time to look? 71.233.49.248 (talk) 20:49, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is enough time for you to look. You're the one that wants the information added, the onus is on you to provide references. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick ^t 14:52, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

The Oregon Country was under a formal British-US condominium from the Treaty of 1818 to the Treaty of 1846, at which time the current land boundary at 49 N was established (the sea boundary around SE Vancouver Island was not finalized till 1872). British and American claims to the area predated the Treaty of 1818, but this treaty established the agreed relations of the two parties. These are well known facts, available in almost any history of the United States or Canada. A Canadian source, conveniently online, is A History of British Columbia, by R.E. Gosnell and E.O.S. Scholefield, 1913, published by the British Columbia Historical Association, Vancouver (chapter 9 is on the Oregon Boundary). It is available at http://nosracines.ca/toc.aspx?id=3768&qryID=44fe054e-1529-4652-90ba-b47eefa1723a , a site hosted by the University of Calgary and the Universite Laval. I'm not sure how long a territory has to be British to be considered part of the British Empire for this map, but 28 years of official condominium by treaty, and longstanding prior claims, seems sufficient. I don't know how to edit these maps, but perhaps someone who does would be kind enough to add the southern parts of the Oregon Country (now in the US) to the former territories of the British Empire. MayerG (talk) 07:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Changes to the Corner Map

I think spheres of influence should be taken into account with regards to China. The Russian Empire Wikipedia page map, under a lighter color, displays Mongolia as a nation under Russia's Sphere of influence. Therefore, I believe that under perhaps a lighter shade of pink, the Yangtze River, as well as Tibet, should be highlighted here. Using inspiration of the desired image from the sites of 'Age of Revolution and 'History Learning Site', a realistic British Empire map would better detail the scope of imperial trade routes and political areas of occupation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAceOfSpades115 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Iran?

It was occupied and under heavy British influence 1917-1921,some books on the empire call it quasi or semi-protectorate. The wiki article on WW2 puppet states calls The Imperial State of Iran a British puppet state. Although if we are not adding Afghanistan to the Empire, then Iran cannot be added. Comrade Casio (talk) 16:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)ComradeCasio

Bencoolen ??

Why is it that British Bencoolen, also called Fort Marlborough -- 200 miles of Sumatran coastline -- is not yet shown on this map? It was British for over 150 years, until the Anglo-Dutch treaty (Treaty of London) of 1824: "The Factory of Fort Marlborough, and all the English Possessions on the Island of Sumatra, are hereby ceded to His Netherland Majesty" (art. IX).--Lubiesque (talk) 17:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)