Personal opinion is not appropriate on this "Contentious topic" subject. LizRead!Talk! 05:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There are many forms of childhood adversity and I think the effects can be quite good. Women experience different sorts of adversity than men often. Sometimes the adversity they experience can be related solely to the vicarious experiences. Having seen vicarous experiences can cause women anxiety later in life which may then have to be resolved through some sort of trauma processing - in fact even imagined or interpreted trauma can cause anxiety.
Additionally women with a high level of empathy rather than sympathy may later in life remember the details of social dynamics in a group they are part of that causes uncertainty.
Women can have a tendency to remember traumatic experiences of others or the dynamics surrounding them and then develop anxiety surrounding they interactions they have or have had with others to avoid the dynamics of a trauma they experience, learn about, or imagine. This form of anxiety surrounding what others may can present oddly in psychotherapy and may have historically been a cause of discovered trauma.
Additionally since women seek to resolve conflicts and be understood, their anger can stem as much from the judgment of others as from anyone else. And interaction intended to be mere conversation can escalate into a disagreement if they other party judges them. So an interaction can start with the intent to communicate then as an individual feels progressively judged by an individual or group they can get annoyed. A response from someone with empathy is often a *measured* response to perceived wrongs as a form of communication rather than act of aggression.
Getting angry in conversation can be a normal thing and this can extend to shouting. What is viewed as aggression may merely be boundering setting and demanding that people treat one with respect. High levels of empathy can render what may look like aggression mere heated conversations. High levels of inhibitory control (as found I believe in women) may lead what is merely loud conversation to be interpreted as aggression. This is particularly problematic for more intimidating women, such as women of colour. Viewing behaviour solely through the lens of oxytocin and other hormones may be problematic too.
Okay... yes I think in a sense I have an intuitive understanding of some of this stuff which is very complicated. Let me try to remember. Yes I see women will engage in violence through speech rather than through words due to their greater level of empathy, for certain individuals who do not have have levels of internal understanding and consistency this level of violence could be enough to cause self harm or even suicide. Protective factors suicide from emotional response may include greater levels of empathy. Empathy can render those who might appear violent less dangerous.
In a sense emotional violence, lack of empathy, and physical violence and isolation are all related. In a way there are two approaches to avoid suicide in radical self-isolation such as due to obesity. Radical self-empathy acheived through a well integrated mind, or completely detachment due to an inability to self-empathise.
Going a bit left field and into MBTI territory two personalities that are very similar may be able to create the skills for radical self-empathy and isolation. In an odd socionomic model two personalities that are the same interacting may create individuals with either high levels of empathy or complete social isolation, particularly in pairs since two identical personalities may "attack one another" since they always draw from the subconscious. This is the four sides of the mind model - which is very very controversial. Though the socionomic 8 stack model suffices to explain this function in pairs.
Put more simply, hang around with people very similar to you and you might go bit crazy (and maybe kill yourself) or you develop deep empathy. Put people on their own for a long time and they may develop similar empathy. All rather speculative. I have no idea if we'd be able to source this. It should be noted that this probably only applies individuals with low status or low levels of empathy. I'm not sure about this stuff. I dont know how empathy and sympathy enter into the picture. It's complicated... but that's my take. Talpedia 06:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I really dont understand how emotional vulnerability and maturity and status enters into this stuff.
It should be noted that empathy between any individual and social inclusion probably protects against suicide, so this sort of analysis is more applicable to dyads (pairs of people) or individuals who are alone. The individual alone needing to enter into a "relationship with their subconscious" as it were. Psychodynamics is an odd area and will have many framings. I suspect inner child work may be another way of dealing with this but I don't know enough about it. You might be able to find a neuropsychological or mind based model or the inner that deals with this, but intuitively self empathy could be modeled as maintaining a version of your inner child intact through caring for it. I suppose the inner child might be analogous to the default mode network- thoughI don't understand enough about this stuff.
Then you get into stuff about the "empathetic" or "self-modeling" effect of sexual relations and other topics.
That's a lot of about self-isolation isn't it. But yeah, people will more empathy commit less violence, but are more willing to express things in an angry mannerl Talpedia 06:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
