Draft talk:Kelly Tshibaka

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Hi, I wrote a mainspace article, and at the end of that process noticed this draft, so I incorporated a few things from here into there. Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Anythingyouwant: four different editors have noted that this person did not appear to meet notability standards as of the last time someone tried to write an article. None of what you have written appears to address those concerns. DMacks (talk) 07:11, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I don’t know who those four editors are or what their concerns were, but the footnotes at Kelly Tshibaka seem to clearly show notability. Anythingyouwant (talk) 07:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Looks like some editors had removed the draft-decline comments. I've revived them. DMacks (talk) 07:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

If I’m reading correctly, all of that happened on May 2, 2022 when the draft article looked like this. The present Kelly Tshibaka BLP is nothing like that. Anythingyouwant (talk) 07:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

It was indeed a mess at that time. But the kernel of the declines was WP:NPOL. I still don't see substantive content with WP:RS from after that timeframe. DMacks (talk) 04:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Why “after that timeframe”? If plenty of press coverage was overlooked before that timeframe, then that counts too. There’s just tons of press coverage here, including these items which are all now footnoted in the BLP:

• Cordova, Gilbert. "Head of the Alaska Department of Administration resigns, seeks run for Murkowski’s US Senate seat", KTUU-TV (29 Mar 2021).
• Raju, Manu and Rogers, Alex. "Pro-Trump challenger’s residency issues catch Murkowski’s eye", CNN (4 Oct 2021).
• Thiessen, Mark. "Alaska candidate shadowed by anti-gay article, election post", Associated Press (April 27, 2021).
• Samuels, Iris and Lester, Marc. “The making of a U.S. Senate candidate: Kelly Tshibaka”, Anchorage Daily News (18 Oct 2022).
• Leary, Declan (April 27, 2021). "An Anti-Establishment Candidate in Alaska?". The American Conservative. Retrieved May 4, 2022.
• Boots, Michelle. “U.S. Senate candidate’s $81,000 state-paid moving bill won’t have to be paid back”, Anchorage Daily News (21 Apr 2022).
• "Gov. Dunleavy appoints Kelly Tshibaka to lead Dept. of Administration", KINY (31 Jan 2019).
• Cochrane, Emily. "Lisa Murkowski and Kelly Tshibaka Advance in Alaska’s Senate Contest", The New York Times (August 17, 2022).
• "Alaska Republican Party endorses Kelly Tshibaka in the 2022 race for the US Senate seat held by Murkowski", KTUU-TV (11 Jul 2021).
• "Alaska Senate candidate drops out of race". The Hill. September 13, 2022. Retrieved September 13, 2022.
• Marquez, Alexandra. "Tshibaka, Murkowski virtually tied in new Alaska statewide poll", NBC News (15 Sep 2022).
• Nzanga, Merdie. "What to know about Kelly Tshibaka, who is trying to unseat Alaska GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski", USA Today (16 Aug 2022).
• "CANDIDATE Q&A: U.S. Senate — Kelly Tshibaka", Alaska Public Media (10 Aug 2022).
• "Trump gives ‘Complete and Total’ endorsement to Tshibaka in Alaska’s U.S. Senate race", Anchorage Daily News (18 Jun 2021).
• Isenstadt, Alex (March 29, 2021). "Trump alums sign up with new Murkowski opponent". Politico. Retrieved May 4, 2022.
• Karni, Annie. “Trump endorses Kelly Tshibaka, Murkowski's challenger in Alaska's Senate race”, The New York Times (18 Jun 2021).
• Cochrane, Emily. “Shunned by the Right, Murkowski Bets Big on the Center in Alaska”, New York Times (28 Apr 2022).
• Thiessen, Mark. “Trump-backed Alaska hopeful officially files for Senate run”, Associated Press (April 11, 2022).
• Caldwell, Leigh Ann. ““Murkowski, Peltola cross party lines to endorse each other in tight Alaska races”, Washington Post via MSN (24 Oct 2022).

Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

As people are bringing up BLP, there's WP:BLP1E to consider. Has she received significant, sustained coverage for anything besides raising a bunch of money in a political campaign once upon a time? A biography is supposed to be a story of someone's life, not merely a dumping ground for citations tied to someone's name. What's notable about her life beyond this one event? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, she’s been running for US Senate since March of 2021. Per Wikipedia:What is one event, “Definitionally, an event is an ‘occurrence of social or personal importance’. That is, a single specific act that has taken place with a defined beginning and end, which may last for a second or two, or multiple days.” I don’t think multiple days accurately describes 1.5 years. Anyway, she did have notable history before then, as described in the BLP. Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I chose that cut-off date because that's when the draft was declined, and that's the timeframe of the references we had at the time. So if "at the time it was declined" the references we had did not suffice and the topic didn't pass WP:NPOL, then we need after-that-time content to demonstrate that notability has now increased to that threshold. DMacks (talk) 05:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

As I said, if plenty of press coverage was overlooked before that timeframe, then that overlooked coverage counts now too. It’s kind of surreal that you could look at the 30+ references now in the BLP, including three separate NYT articles, and doubt notability. I have started a discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#06:31:49,_27_October_2022_review_of_draft_by_Anythingyouwant. Anythingyouwant (talk) 06:34, 27 October 2022 (UTC)