Draft talk:Calala Island
@KiteWings: Many thanks for this article. Your help in making Wikipedia more useful is much appreciated. As you are are a new editor, you may not be familiar with all the policies. For an article to be retained, the information contained therein must be verifiable using reliable independent sources that directly relate to the subject. Looking though the sources, it seems they are not very suitable. I was wondering if you have any sources about the island being used in the age of pirates, the name change and it's geography? The section about the ecosystem is also insufficiently sourced as it merely seems to talk about the Nicaraguan coast in general, but not the island. Many thanks! pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 11:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Jake Brockman: thanks for looking at my upload so quickly. I've taken on board what you have mentioned and just this minute added more references. If you could take a look at it and let me know if you think it solves all the issues you have mentioned previously?
- @KiteWings: Thanks for those updates. I'm not really convinced that those references do a lot to establish notability. We don't generally use tabloids as there are questions about their reliability. Some of those quotes also look very much like PR for the hotel resort (most strikingly, using the same images as the hotel website), so we wouldn't use those. Once you discount the promotional stuff, there isn't much left unfortunately and the remainder of the article remains vague. It seems there's a mash up of writing about the geographical feature (i.e. the island proper) and the most significant structure on it (i.e. the hotel). Unless there are specific mentions of the island in relation to the ecosystem and the pirate claim, those passages should not be in the article. Consider this: I might create an article about my house - just because the Queen may have been nearby a few times to open schools or visit hospitals. That doesn't make my house notable - unless it's specifically mentioned in the context... pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 08:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Jake Brockman: Sorry Jake, I must have misunderstood from your initial comments. I was under the impression that notability had already been determined as it wasn't mentioned in your initial feedback. I therefore concentrated on trying to fix the issues you initially cited - the links pertaining to the pirates (added more including Financial Times and Washington Post) and the ecosystem (by finding direct links to the Pearl Cays and surrounding areas).
- @KiteWings: Thanks for those updates. I'm not really convinced that those references do a lot to establish notability. We don't generally use tabloids as there are questions about their reliability. Some of those quotes also look very much like PR for the hotel resort (most strikingly, using the same images as the hotel website), so we wouldn't use those. Once you discount the promotional stuff, there isn't much left unfortunately and the remainder of the article remains vague. It seems there's a mash up of writing about the geographical feature (i.e. the island proper) and the most significant structure on it (i.e. the hotel). Unless there are specific mentions of the island in relation to the ecosystem and the pirate claim, those passages should not be in the article. Consider this: I might create an article about my house - just because the Queen may have been nearby a few times to open schools or visit hospitals. That doesn't make my house notable - unless it's specifically mentioned in the context... pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 08:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
With the latter, it’s worth noting that the critically endangered Hawksbill turtle is extensively covered in Wikipedia as it is a notable topic and here I’ve brought in direct links showing that Calala Island is an important nesting ground for these turtles. Are you suggesting it would be best to add more references on this subject to address the notability issues?
I presume the Queen reference was due to Princess Eugenie visiting the island? It also wasn't as if she passed by, the ninth in line for the British throne (to put that in context Harry is sixth) was proposed to on the island while vacationing there. I didn't include this as I didn't want it to be promotional, but as you mentioned there are issues with notability should that be focused on more? Again referring to other Wikipedia articles, there is already an article about Eugenie's wedding so surely that helps with notability?
Having visited this part of the world recently, I was amazed how hard it is to find information about Nicaraguan islands and the southern Caribbean. It therefore became a goal of mine to learn more about this region and I wanted to share that knowledge with Wikipedia. It made sense to start with Calala, due to its proximity to Nicaragua, its media coverage and also information about the ecosystem. I understand my edit yesterday didn't do the trick, but based on what I have mentioned above, surely this can't be far away from acceptance?