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Trying to shorten yet provide access to a long list of publications & other material

I'm working on an article about a prolific author with a LOT of published books and articles, as well as awards, podcasts, recorded interviews, etc. I know it would be anathema to weigh down a Wiki article with such a long list, especially because not everything on the list will be cited in my article. But I want interested readers to be able to access them. So, my questions:

1. Do I understand correctly that it's okay to provide a link to a complete list at an outside website? (which I'd divide into categories for ease of reading)
2. If so, are there any restrictions on the type of website, since the link will lead outside Wikipedia? Like, for instance, could the outside website not be one run by a 3rd party (perhaps even the author's own website)?

(No, the article I'm working on is not in my sandbox.) Augnablik (talk) 12:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Two approaches: Include in article Robert Bly or have a Selected works in an article and a separate bibliography article Mark Twain bibliography. David notMD (talk) 12:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD: I'm intrigued by the second of the two approaches you're suggesting, creating a separate article within Wikipedia just for the author's published works and other materials. I never knew this sort of thing was an option. Is it very common in Wikipedia? But to be honest, I'm not sure I favor the idea because it would create what I'll call "Wiki clutter," for want of a better term.

Your first approach is one I wouldn't think Wikipedia would want, a pretty hefty list of publications only a few of which were cited in the article about the author.

What did you think about my question asking if I could create — in addition to a list of references I use within the article — a link to an outside website where the author's entire oeuvre could appear? (and would there be any restrictions on the type of website)? Augnablik (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you can: see WP:ELYES. But note that the site must be "neutral and accurate". Commercial sites (those that exist for the purpose of selling things) should not normally be linked. ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Another example: Kurt Vonnegut and Kurt Vonnegut bibliography. The main article still has an extensive (complete?) list, the bibliography has a bit more information about each item. For an EXTREME example, Isaac Asimov lists much of his work and there are five (!!) bibliography articles. David notMD (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yikes, David notMD ... that is indeed an "EXTREME example."

I understand from your feedback that I could create a secondary Wiki article to house the complete list of this author's publications, but I just don't feel comfortable with it. It feels somewhat disjointed to me to have secondary articles just to catch publication overflow. And artificial. But I appreciate your comments. Augnablik (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine, thank you ... so often you come up with very useful information in response to my help requests. I went to WP:ELYES and under "What can normally be linked," item 1, I found that "Wikipedia articles about any organization, person (boldface mine), website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site (again, boldface mine), if any."

This would seem to say that if the author has a complete list of his publications, etc., at his personal website, and that his website is not commercial, it could be linked to the Wiki article about him. Just to be sure, I delved further into WP:ELYES and found, under "Links to be considered," item 4, I found "Sites "that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources."

So @Colin (or other senior editors) ... combining both pieces of WP:ELYES guidance, it seems to me that I have the green light I was hoping for. Am I correct about that, so I needn't go through further hoops? Augnablik (talk) 22:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Since my assumption of May 5 hasn't been objected to, it would seem that it is in fact acceptable for the lengthy complete list of the author's publications I've described to be housed on his own website, even though a personal site couldn't be used for informational citations, and linked to from the Wikipedia article. I hope this is true, as it would beautifully solve the publication "housing issues" I've laid on the table here. Augnablik (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Help!

My SVG has glitched because I don't know, I just used a mapchart map of 1830 to make my US flag map from 1822 to 1836, And I masked the flag, However, The SVG became invisible, the problem is so hard to fix that I just gave up. I asked some people to help me on Stack Overflow, They gave me some tips on how to fix it, It didn't work. So you guys are the only hope for me to fix it. (i have no idea if i should link my image here...) MJGTMKME123 (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

...why is nobody responding. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123, possibly because no one who understands how to help has seen it yet; we're all volunteers, here. Yes, you can link the image if you think it will help. Valereee (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay. c:File:Flag_Map_of_the_United_States_(1822-1836).svg MJGTMKME123 (talk) 17:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123 The experts on .svg images have their own Help Pages at WP:SVG help. You should post details there and I'm sure you will get good advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Aren’t mapChart maps usually unrecommended? 48JCL 19:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

How to cite source

I'm editing List of cathedrals in the United States. I can't upload photos obviously, for i can't take the only available photos in internet or social media. It's much hard too that i can't cite my source or be able to place the integrates of the locations i'm trying to enter in this list. I don't think i'll be ever able to place fully the details i'm trying to enter, so i hope anyone who can place the citations and integrates may be too kind to do it instead for me. I also intend to do similar new entries in related lists so i hope you will keep up and bear patience with me on this. Thanks guys! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 01:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@JorizMingoyMontes: WP:REFB is a useful guide on learning to cite sources. But, please clarify your question, as I don't understand how citing a source related to uploading photos. RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't upload photos from internet. Wikipedia says i must upload photos that i myself have taken. But evidently i can't do it for i can't travel elsewhere so i get photos only from internet JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi JorizMingoyMontes What does uploading photos have to do with citing a source? You don't need to upload a photo in order to cite a source; in fact, photos in most cases aren't really suitable to cite as sources. Perhaps you should take a look at WP:RELIABLESOURCES because you seem to misunderstand what "source" means in the context of "reliable sources". Do you instead want to know how to add images to the article about cathedrals in the US? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi and thank you! I don't mean photos and sources are one and the same. I only have two problems at the same time: I can't cite sources most of the time though thankfully I'm able to cite only in some articles that I edit, but not in all articles that I edit. Second is that I can't upload photos I freely find on the internet, for evidently I must take the photos on my own. I hope though you may help me on uploading photos without me necessarily taking those photos by myself. Yes please, I need to know. Thanks again! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't add topics to some talk pages

Some talk pages, like Talk:National African Religion Congress and Talk:List of cities in Maharashtra by population don't have an "add topic" button on the talk page. Why is this and how do I fix this? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 02:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Go to the lowermost topic. Click to edit it. Leave it as it is, but on a line below it, add '== [topic title] ==', hit Enter, and start your msg. 126.254.231.65 (talk)

What if there's no topic on the talk page? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 04:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IndianEmperor7. You can also go to the very top of the page and click on "New section". -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I do it on mobile? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 10:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The mobile version/app in my opinion is great for reading, not so much for editing(though it is possible to edit from it and some users may know some tips) as it is not fully functional. When I am on a device I use the full desktop version in a browser. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Move from the workshop to Atar Meiner

Hello, could you move this article from my workshop to this New article Atar Meiner. Please --GiladSeg (talk) 04:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@GiladSeg: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you think it's ready for mainspace, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page so that a reviewer can look at it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I did it, is it expected too much or not?--GiladSeg (talk) 05:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, GiladSeg, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, you have not yet submitted it for review. I have added a header to it with a button to help you do so. ColinFine (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank You for Inviting me to the Tee House!

I have trying to create a new article in Sandbox, with the relevant news and article, however this gets rejected again and again. I am very careful while using the source, reference and links. Also, these are very neutral articles. Kingofports (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kingofports Welcome to the Teahouse! Taking User:Kingofports/sandbox as an example. You need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL has guidance on that. "Mr. Tanti is an Indian businessman known for his contributions to the renewable energy sector, particularly in wind energy. He is recognized for his leadership role in Suzlon Energy, a prominent renewable energy company in India." is slightly WP:PUFFERY, and uncited. And we don't write Mr. in our articles, unless quoting.

But your first and most important hurdle is WP:NOTABILITY. You need independent WP:RS, the company website is only good for some WP:ABOUTSELF. And the Energy World makes me wonder if WP:NEWSORGINDIA is an issue here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You have created three drafts. Two, each with only one sentence, have been Declined (Draft:Girish Tanti and Draft:Karan Adani), and the Sandbox Declined and then Rejected. None or these have any references to support these people being notable in the Wikiupedia sense of the word. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kingofports. Writing an article starts with finding sources that are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the subject (see WP:42 for more detail). If you cannot find several such sources, then you will know that there is no point spending any more time on this subject, because it will not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Youtube documentry as source

Can a YouTube video (e.g. this one) that is from an official and reliable channel, covering the production of a film, be used as a source? DinSolo (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @DinSolo: YouTube is just a platform, so the reliability or otherwise of the content depends on the channel and the original source. If we're talking eg. BBC News, and the clip is on BBC's own official channel, that is considered a reliable source, even on YouTube. If we're talking Russia Today, that's a deprecated source, and cannot be used no matter whose channel it's on. If we're talking BBC news, but the channel isn't BBC, then it could be reliable as long as the content hasn't been edited or doctored in any way, but it would be better to find that same content on BBC's own channel and cite that. (I say this in a generic sense, without commenting on whether Think Music India is a reliable source.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Think Music is a musiclabel, so they may be regarded as a reliable sources only for uncontroversial factual information about themselves and their issues: see WP:ABOUTSELF. It makes no difference what medium or platform their publications are on. ColinFine (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Also have a look at Wikipedia:YOUTUBE; copyright might be a problem. Lectonar (talk) 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Comments on talk page

How's this fair to remove someone's comments from the talk section? [1] While I know that a user is free to remove and drafting any comments from their talk pages, but any user can misuse it by just saying false accusations. Moreover the user has removed my comment from other user talk page [2]. Jonharojjashi (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jonharojjashi.

Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages. You both seem to be involved in a content dispute, and I would recommend assuming good faith and following the guidelines at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Qcne (talk) 17:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jonharojjashi: To add to the above, unless the revisions in particular are deleted, they can be accessed by going through the page's history. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply @Qcne and @Tenryuu, I know that they are free to remove any comments from their own talk page, but they have also tried to remove my comment from another user's talk page [3], felt more like a dictatorship but it's sorted now. Jonharojjashi (talk) 01:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I know this isn't Wikipedia related, however it is Wiki related. PLEASE HELP!

So I uploaded a file to Wikimedia without properly understanding how to cite the copyright holder. It is a screenshot (that I took) of a video game (Yakuza 3), and so it falls SEGA's domain. I would appreciate what to do, as I don't know how to cite SEGA without re-uploading. Here is the file: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiryu_Kazuma_Yakuza_3.png Also: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Roosterchz If anyone could help, I'd appreciate it. -Roosterchz Roosterchz (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You should address any issues you have on Commons, on Commons. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Could you provide a link to where I could ask such a question? Roosterchz (talk) 21:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You could ask at c:Commons:Help desk or one of the c:Commons:Village pumps. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks mate! Appreciate it. Roosterchz (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Roosterchz: You might, however, want to take a look at c:Commons:Screenshots first because you citing "Sega" matters not unless you can show that the game the screenshots come from have been released by Sega in accordance with c:Commons:Licensing. In other words, Commons will not host screenshots taken from copyrighted software unless the software's creator or copyright holder has either (1) released the software under an acceptable free license for Commons or (2) has given their c:COM:CONSENT for the screenshot to be uploaded and used. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Roosterchz, the bottom line is that you cannot upload any copyright protected files to Wikimedia Commons. There are no exceptions. As for the use of non-free images on English Wikipedia, please see WP:NFCI. The policy is stringent. Cullen328 (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I get it now.

This isn't worth the effort anymore, sorry for wasting your guys' time. I'll be more careful in the future. Roosterchz (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Not a waste, Roosterchz. Everybody learns by making honest mistakes and having them corrected, and by asking questions as you've done here – it's what the Teahouse is for! Other folks who read this thread may also learn something new to them. Happy future editing! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 09:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reassuring words! Roosterchz (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

When in doubt, ask for help. Cwater1 (talk) 14:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeed Roosterchz (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Image licensing released, next steps?

Hello all, Dank referred me here and said you may be able to help. Trying to get Hypericum sechmenii as TFA at the moment, and have just had a breakthrough in getting a freely licensed image for the run. I've been reaching out to different field researchers who may have images for several years, and for the first time I got a response. Not only did he release the one I was hoping for, but sent me several never-before-seen images as well! He said he would love to have them in the article, as long as he and his fellow colleagues are attributed. However, I don't want to link to the conversation on ResearchGate, because my personal info is attached to it. How should I go about affirming that these images have been released for upload on commons/wikipedia? Fritzmann (message me) 21:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Fritzmann2002 and welcome to the Teahouse! WP:DCM may be of help? Particularly the section WP:DONATEIMAGE. I believe the researcher who took the photo will have to do some emailing. I hope this is of some help. Best, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 05:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

editiors are accusing me of vandalism

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § editiors are accusing me of vandalism

i added pictures to ipad models and then i am getting accused of vandalism by @Wiiformii and @Joyous! @JeffSpaceman which is clearly not true since i tried to make the articles better and not ruin them 149.202.98.184 (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a discussion currently ongoing on the user's talk page. Joyous! Noise! 22:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Help!

Hey, Hope you all are doing great. Recently I made three drafts Draft:Gumn, Draft:Wonderland (Pakistani TV series) and Draft:Hook (2022 TV series) but they were declined by reviewer User:Saqib who has been biased in reviewing my drafts and in case of Draft:Gumn despite the fact it does have multiple reliable sources, it was indicated that it does not meet WP:GNG. Help me get my articles published as I feel they all are notable to be published.  182.182.97.3 (talk) 22:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:FORUMSHOP. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 22:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You are WP:LOUTSOCKing and engaging in UPE. Just stop. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not, you can have investigation on my IP. You guys are just bullying new editors like me. 182.182.97.3 (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing an article from stub to start

Hello! Over the past few months I've been improving articles related to RTD's light rail stations almost all of which are stubs. On the I-25 & Broadway station page, I've added sections about history and public art, added more text and a diagram to the station layout section, and in the infobox I've added a map insert as well as updating ridership data from 2014 to the most recent I could find online (2019). While the article still has a long way to go, I believe it should be upgraded from stub class to start class. However, as I've never changed an article's class, I'd love to hear the opinions of more experienced editors. FoamingInDenver (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FoamingInDenver. According to WP:STUB, Once a stub has been properly expanded and becomes a larger article, any editor may remove its stub template. No administrator action or formal permission is needed. You have significantly expanded that article, so I upgraded it to Start. Cullen328 (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions, FoamingInDenver. I agree with you that I don't like to assess articles that I have worked on; I just cannot be objective about them. It is certainly acceptable to do it yourself, but I think that asking for somebody else to cast an eye over it is a great idea. Another place you might consider is at WikiProject Trains, because this article falls inside their scope.--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

need to add my biography to wikipedia

Hello. I recently wrote a draft of my autobiography in which I use AI on my behalf to help me keep it neutral and positive. My bio includes areas that I have covered from a scientific perspective in the past without entering into a discussion in which I express my views on areas that are not yet explained by science but without entering the realm of conspiracy theory. I am an underground autodidact, I attended colleges and universities but refused to graduate and maintained a GPA below 3.6 for political reasons. I need special help in this regard. I'm still learning all of Wikipedia's parameter languages so I can contribute by writing and posting articles of interest. Thank you have a great day. Mario Liek Serna (talk) 23:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not the place to tell about yourself; Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources choose to say about a topic. That is usually very difficult for people to do about themselves here, because people naturally write favorably about themselves(or in this case, use AI to). Please also be aware that an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. There are good reasons to not want one. If you truly meet the criteria for an article, someone will eventually take note of coverage of you and choose to write about you on their own(and without the aid of an AI which presents copyright issues). My advice is that you go on about your life as if Wikipedia didn't exist, and use social media to publish your autobiography. 331dot (talk) 23:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mario Liek Serna. Just curious as to why you need to add your biography to Wikipedia. What's going to happen if you don't? Do you perhaps see Wikipedia as a good way to promote yourself, enhance your online presence or otherwise increase your credibility in your chosen field? If you do, then please take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Alternative outlets in addition to the pages linked to above by 331dot. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mario Liek Serna Your two efforts have been Speedy Deleted, leaving no View history of what you wrote except as viewed by Administrators. Wikipedia does not allow original research, as in "...I express my views on areas that are not yet explained by science...". There are other ways to contribute to Wikipedia. Most new editors find success through efforts to improve existing articles, either by adding facts along with valid references, or correcting errors, again with valid references. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How to remove "ghost" pictures

I created a topic at the Village Pump with two original images of mine. Then I deleted and replaced that file with a new version, which includes a new image. But the other two images seem to still be "alive," because when I clicked on a version of them in MS Word, I was taken to copies on the Internet.

Those unneeded images will just be cluttering up Wikipedia if they're allowed to remain, but I don't know where to go to delete them. Advice? Augnablik (talk) 01:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Augnablik. When asking about a specific Wikipedia page, it's usually helpful to provide a link to that page instead of expecting a Teahouse host to either just hope to make a lucky guess or to go digging through your contributions history to try and find the page/pages themselves. So, if you're asking about a particular file, please provide a link to the file's page or at least provide the name of the file. If you're asking about a particular Villiag Pump discussion, please provide a link to the discussion. Doing so will make it easier for someone to help you. Just for reference, only an Wikipedia administrator can WP:DELETE a Wikipedia page (including files), but it's not clear whether the files you uploaded are Wikipedia files or Wikimedia Commons files. In the latter case, you will need to request their deletion from Commons by following the guidance in c:Commons:Deletion policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Just for reference, your Commons' contribution history shows that you've uploaded four files: File:User contributions mystery.png, File:Job aid template -1.png, File:Job Aid Example -1.png and File:Simplified Job Aid.png. If any of these are the files you'd like deleted, you will need to make a deletion request on Commons. Anything uploaded less than seven days ago, can most likely be tagged for speedy deletion per Commons speedy deletion criterion G7; however, anything uploaded seven or more days ago will need to be nominated for deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for both your messages, @Marchjuly. I didn't give a link because I just assumed there was some "holding place" images might go and an editor would simply tell me to go there. The photos I need deleted are included in your second message — I'll follow through on your advice. Augnablik (talk) 04:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Actually, there's another oddity related to "ghost" pictures I just realize. I created only 3 images, but you identified 4. I clicked on the first one you mention, which is NOT one I knowingly created (User contributions mystery.png). I have no idea how it got created and ended up attributed to me!

This is weird. Is it possible that it's someone else's and if I ask for it to be deleted, that someone would lose an image he or she might to keep? Augnablik (talk) 04:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: The oldest of your uploads was uploaded too long ago to still be eligible for speedy deletion; so, you will need to start a regular deletion request for this file. You can do this by going to the file's Commons' page, clicking on "Nominate for deletion" in the left side bar and then following the prompts in the window that opens. The other three files can be tagged for speedy deletion. You can do this by going to each file's Commons' page, clicking on "Edit" at the top and then adding the syntax {{SD|G7}} (c:Template:SD) to the very top of the page's editing window. Once you've done that, click on "Show preview" to check your work and then "Publish changes" if things look OK. Since you're the person who uploaded the files, you don't really need to notify yourself,

As for your other questions, all four files are attributed to your account, which means either you or someone using your account uploaded them. Is it possible you just don't remember uploading the oldest one? Is it possible that you let someone else use your account to upload the file? If the later is a real possibility, then you might want to take a look at WP:COMPROMISED because this could be a problem for you when it comes to editing Wikipedia. As for whether someone might dispute your attempts tohave the files deleted, that's always a possibility, especially if the files are being used by others. In that case, further discussion may be needed to determine whether the file's still have some value to Commons per c:Commons:Project scope. It's also the main reason why only files hosted for less than seven days are eligible for author-requested speedy deletion; the idea is to give uploaders some time to correct mistakes or change their minds while also reducing that chances of the file being heavily used by others. You need to understand that once you upload something to Commons it can pretty remain there forever as long as it falls within Commons' Scope. The ability to self-nominate your uploads for speedy deletion is of more of courtesy than anything else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If I just leave the 3 images I don’t need or want, wouldn’t I be doing something unecological, not disposing of clutter?

If it doesn’t really matter, I’d love to save time by not having to figure out how to submit not one but 2 types of deletion requests. Augnablik (talk) 05:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Commons is more concerned with the licensing of the content it hosts and whether that content falls within its project scope. What you see as clutter, someone else might feel has some value. Even so, you uploaded the those files and you can nominate those that qualify for speedy deletion if you want. The files should ended up deleted after a few days unless someone else decides they want to use them. If that happens, then they're not really clutter and further discussion may be necessary to get them deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I can guarantee nobody else would want the images I’m referring to! 😂

I just hate clutter in general. Augnablik (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps then the images were outside the scope of Commons and never should've been uploaded in the first place. If you feel that's the case, then tag them for speedy deletion or nominate them for regular deletion as such. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

No, @Marchjuly … the reason I wanted to delete the images —- that is, the two I’d uploaded with an earlier version of a proposal I was making at the "Village Pump" —- was that in my updated version I created another image that I saved along with the replacement proposal. There was simply no further need for the 2 images I’d made for the earlier deleted proposal.

And as I’ve mentioned, I’m mystified about the 4th image you had on the list of images you found uploaded in my name, so I definitely don’t need it. Augnablik (talk) 07:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: If you visit File:User contributions mystery.png and scroll down a bit you'll find a heading "File usage" under which you're told that the file is used on Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1158. And indeed on that page in the section headed User Contributions page mystery there is what appears to be a question from you illustrated by that picture. --bjh21 (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, my. I don't recall that at all. Well, thanks for the detective work, @Bjh21. Augnablik (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Two anon users are reverting my changes to List of gay villages and deleting my discussion on the Talk page.

Hi! For the page "List of Gay Villages," anon users keep adding the "East Village of Des Moines, Iowa" onto the list. However, this is not a "Gay Village." For their citation they use a website that has outdated information and doesn't even refer to the neighborhood as a Gay Village. I remove it from the list but two anon users keep adding it back. Also, I started a discussion on the Talk page but they either A) Delete my discussion or B) Edit my discussion so what I say is in their favor.

What do I do? Harryhay69 (talk) 03:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You have done the right thing is starting (and restoring) the talk page thread. I have commented in the talk page thread, and warned both IPs. It is completely unacceptable to erase or rewrite another user's constructive talk page thread. Meters (talk) 04:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't continue to remove the article content. It is a recent addition that has been contested and thus should stay out until (if) consensus it reached to include it, so i have removed it again, but you should not continue removing it yourself. See WP:EW Meters (talk) 04:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I see, thank you for your help. So it shouldn’t be added until proper consensus is reached. I’ve never edited on here before so I’m still learning- thank you! Harryhay69 (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Harryhay69. The WP:ONUS, generally, falls on the person wanting to add content to an article, and it's, therefore, up to them to establish a consensus to do so in accordance with WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION when others disagree. Although Wikipedia wants us to be WP:BOLD when trying to improve articles and usually it's OK to assume WP:SILENCE if nobody challenges an edit that has been made, the back-and-forth adding/removing of disputed content is not acceptable and is considered to be disruptive absent any clearly sound policy- or guideline-based argument for doing so (e.g. some serious violation of a main Wikipedia policy). So, no matter how right you think you may be, you still run the risk of being sanctioned if you make too many reverts. Let the discussion play out; if a consensus is established in favor of not including the disputed content, it will be removed. If it continues to be re-added after that, you can then seek assistance from an administrator at WP:AN3 or WP:AN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How to add a "hat" that doesn't consume the whole page.

 Courtesy link: Talk:Islam

Hello everyone. I am attempting to close a discussion on the Islam talk page that has deviated from the purpose of a talk page.

When I add the hidden archive top template to the topic, it subsumes the entire page rather than just the problematic discussions.

If you'd like to see what I'm talking about, check out the recent edit history on that page.

Please advise! Zoozoor (talk) 05:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You will have to add hidden archive bottom template as well at the bottom of the section. So this is what you should have done:

{{hat|reason=some reason}}

Some section content

{{hab}} – robertsky (talk) 05:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Zoozoor (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Can Teahouse entries be automatically updated?

I notice that replies to Teahouse questions show up in e-mail messages, if we’ve requested that service from Wikipedia, but not if we return to the Teahouse without refreshing its browser address.

I’d like to have automatic updating done. Is there a way? Augnablik (talk) 06:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik. I don't think Wikipedia does any sort of "push" updating. If you're on a computer, most browsers let you refresh by pressing F5. ColinFine (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Aha! Thanks. Are there any other Fkeys that work with Wikipedia? Augnablik (talk) 11:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello again. I don't know what you mean by "work with Wikipedia". Most browsers recognise F5 as a Refresh, but that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. There are summaries of what function keys do in various systems in the (seriously undersourced) article Function key. ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Interesting! It’s been a long time since I’ve used function keys for anything on my Macintosh. I know they’re there, but sort of like decorations.

F5 didn’t refresh for me, but maybe Safari doesn’t recognize it whereas Chrome would. Augnablik (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

References

How do I add references to get my article approved for a band project I have been working on FarisMuhtaseb (talk) 07:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FarisMuhtaseb, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that, like most people who try to create an article before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works, you have written your article BACKWARDS. Your question is like "I have built this house, but I don't know anything about housebuilding. How do I stop it falling down?"

My earnest advice, as I give to all new editors, is to forget completely about creating a new article for several months, while you learn how Wikipedia works by making hundreds of valuable edits to existing articles, and learning about core principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view and notability. Then you can read your first article, and give it a go.

Also, please disclose whether you have a connection with The Jack Knives, as there are restrictions on editing with a conflict of interest, and note that promotion of any sort is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

FarisMuhtaseb You User page now has a COI declaration (good). Should that be PAID, instead? If so, change it. As for Draft:The Jack Knives, see WP:NMUSIC and Help:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Oops, messed up at the Village Pump ... now what?

Earlier today I posted a proposal at the Village Pump but being a newbie there, I didn't realize till much later that I put it in the wrong section. I didn't even know at the time that there were different sections at the VP. Now I do, and I'd like to move my proposal to the right section, the one eponymously called Proposals. But I can't find it anywhere. According to my Contributions listing, it's in the WMF section, but it isn't. Help, please!

The reason I posted my proposal in the wrong section was simply because WMF must have been where I landed when I first came to the VP and I saw another proposal there at the time. Sorry. On a learning curve.

Augnablik (talk) 09:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik Seems to be there now:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Proposal:_"job_aids"_for_Wiki_editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If so, then why can’t I see it? I’ve refreshed WMF several times but no luck. Augnablik (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mystery to me. Try WP:BYPASS? Change browser? Fwiw, you can probably see this:[4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mystery solved. I can see the post now, Thanks. Augnablik (talk) 18:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Copyright Investigation

I appreciate any and all help. A week ago, an article that I created for Francesco Sapori was marked as having a copyright investigation for a violation of copyright. Unfortunately, this appears to be an error on the behalf of the editor. The website that is linked to as having a copyright problem does not contain any information about Sapori, no information from that site was used, and the report created by Earwig's Copyvio Detector notes there is a 0.0% chance of a violation. Again, the page that was linked to for a copyright violation had no content related to Sapori. I think the page was flagged by accident because it was new. I have attempted to contact the editor who marked the page for deletion due to copyright infringement, but it has been nearly a week and they haven't responded. The entire page is set to be deleted tomorrow, and I currently don't have the ability to copy over the text that I wrote.

Is there anything that I can do? I am worried the material will be deleted and I'll have to start again from square one. Jrhogbin (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like that tag was added by mistake to your draft while the editor who moved the article to draftspace was dealing with a copyright issue on a different page (Hanuman Books). I've removed the tag. Courtesy ping for Justlettersandnumbers in case I've made a mistake in figuring out what happened here. Tollens (talk) 15:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! It is greatly appreciated. This clarifies a great deal. Jrhogbin (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, my apologies to Jrhogbin, I messed that up – pasted the wrong url, both into the copyvio template and into the edit summary. The copyvio I had noticed (not very serious, but not negligible either) was/is from here. I'll relist the page under today's date so that anyone who wants to rewrite it will have a full week in which to do so. NB Job titles on their own are not a copyright concern, but job titles with associated running text may well be. Jrhogbin, if you want to be sure that someone sees a message you've written them, it's advisable to ping them in some way (I missed yours to me). I use {{u|Username}} to do that, but there are other ways. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Like if you use the [reply]-link, there is a little-guy-with-a-plus button for pinging. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: You get this month's prize for pointing out something really useful but not entirely obvious. Thanks! Bazza 7 (talk) 19:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wow! I never noticed that before! Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bazza 7@Shantavira You can also type @ for the same effect. If you use the [reply]-link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki - So confused

On testwiki and some other wikis unrelated to Wikimedia, I've been seeing a new talk page design. Why is this not enabled here? And why are there comments on MediaWiki? Is this exclusive to MediaWiki and not Wikimedia projects? Thanks. LOLHWAT (talk) 16:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@LOLHWAT: It's not unusual for such changes to be rolled out incrementally, starting with a few smaller projects. See m:Tech/News/2024/19 for details of this particular change. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I Need Help

Hello Friends, I was hoping to gain some understanding of how to help in relation to a very pressing issue pertaining to the coat of arms. 47.41.65.240 (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse only really pertains to editing Wikipedia. If you have a question about editing Wikipedia you can ask it here, but if your question is about heraldry then maybe the reference desk would be a better place to ask. (As much as I am curious about how an issue pertaining to a coat of arms could possibly be 'pressing'). -- D'n'B-t -- 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Warning a user

Hello! I'd like to warn this IP about their edits at Newtonhill, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. Do I need to be a moderator/have special privileges? Dinsfire24 (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dinsfire24. Any editor can warn any other editor when justified. No special privileges are needed. Cullen328 (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello WP:WARNVAND may be a helpful resource for the guidelines for warning. Tools such as Twinkle and Ultraviolet help greatly in reverting and warning users :) Wiiformii (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

help object a change before it assumed Consensus

I have noticed couple of inaccuracy I would like to address in Wikipedia however I am not a register user and the inaccuracy is inside restricted page.

can someone please help me understand what are my next steps if I wish to challenge an edit before its becoming consensus automatically?

(since "Consensus can be assumed if no editors object to a change")

I have tried to Propose a specific change on a talk page. Didn't made add an edit request template yet.

selfstudd has deleted my attempt at challenging the consensus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:State_of_Palestine#A_%22Country%22

my proposed change in this debate: this article should take example form how the Vatican is defined in Wikipedia and there are links the relevant legal definitions articles which address the complex legal status of the disputed territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City it seams to me that the current phrasing who deliberately omitting the legality issues of the occupied Palestinians territories (for example like in the rename of "occupied Palestinian territory " to Palestinian_territories") and part of larger attempt at de-legitimize Israeli right to exist.

change: is a country in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. It comprises two disconnected regions – the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It shares borders with Israel to the north, west, and south, Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. to: is a nation / state in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. It comprises two disconnected regions – the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It shares borders with Israel to the north, west, and south, Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest 79.176.174.2 (talk) 18:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has designated some topics as being so controversial that edits and discussions about them need to be restricted to users who have demonstrated that they have significant experience on Wikipedia (500+ edits and holding an account for 30+ days). The Arab-Israeli conflict is one of those topics. This means that you cannot make changes to that article, nor participate in discussions related to it; you can only make edit requests on the talk page of the article. Even then, edit requests are for uncontroversial changes only, which your proposed change is not – this means you cannot propose this change at all right now. You are more than welcome to create an account and participate in editing other less controversial topics until you meet the requirements to propose such changes. Tollens (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Change Draft Title

I would like to change my draft title to clarify the article's primary section. However I cannot achieve that. Could you help me ? My draft is at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:IPG_Technique Dentistedu (talk) 20:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Dentistedu, the title of a draft has little significance, it's not worth worrying about. When a draft is deemed worthy of becoming an article, its title can be changed. Draft:IPG Technique has more serous problems:

1. It does not properly cite any sources. There are some sources, but they're all grouped together after the body of the draft, so a reader can't tell which of the statements is supported by which source. (I see you were warned about this in February, and again in April.)
2. It starts "IPG Technique is a surgical component that interfaces with the upper posterior jaw". I don't know what this means. A component that can interface with a physical structure must be a physical thing, but a technique is not a physical thing.
3. It capitalises common words for no obvious reason: "Surgical", "Sinus", "Concentrated Growth Factors". Maproom (talk) 21:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dentistedu. As well as the points Maproom raises, note that sources for medical articles are required to meet the higher criteria of MEDRS. I notice that not one of your sources uses the phrase "IPG technique" in its title, which seems odd for sources which supposedly support an article on "IPG technique". I further notice that the first two sources have a lead author whose initials are IPG, which makes me wonder if those articles are independent sources? Non-independent sources can be used for certain purposes (see WP:PRIMARY) but the majority of sources should be independent of the researchers who originated the technique.

Also, note that a Wikipedia article should never use evaluative language like "innovative" in Wikipedia's voice (it may directly quote a source that uses such language, as long as the source is completely unconnected with the subject of the article and any people associated with the subject).

Also, though this is less important than getting the citations right, and the neutral point of view, please consider using wikilinks. For example, we have an article on osseointegration, and if you linked to that you could probably give less explanation of it that you have, making your text clearer and less complex. ColinFine (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

info template edits

How do I add a citation to an information box template? Phillyrox (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Phillyrox The way that I tend to use is to first create the citation in the visual editor as I find it a bit more user friendly, then I go to the source editor to copy it. I'll then go back to the visual editor, go into the infobox and add it to the parameter that I need a citation for. Alternatively you could just stay in the source editor and just scroll up to find the infobox and add it to the parameter that way, dealers choice. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Just wondering

Why was the requirements to edit Extra-Protected pages changed from 500 edits to 501? Just curious. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 00:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I had that same situation, too. I think that it's some sort of software delay, or that the software is programmed to autogrant EC to users with over 500 edits. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 03:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248 See WP:ECP and the more detailed article linked there, which confirms that you must already have 500 edits before you can edit an EC-protected article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Articles for trigger warnings

I wanted to make an article that is a list of media (books, movies, music) that references 9/11 as a means of trigger warnings for survivors and family members. Is this appropriate for Wikipedia? If not, is there somewhere else I can turn to? Theow1004 (talk) 00:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I cannot for the life of me parse what this means. Give an example of such a book, movie, or music. Zaathras (talk) 00:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What I mean by this is a piece of media that makes reference. It doesn’t have to be the main point of the media. You’ve never watched a movie with a 9/11 joke? You’ve never read a book that offhandedly mentions it? Because I’ve read 3 books just this year that have: Everyone on the Moon is Essential Personnel, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, and Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism. Theow1004 (talk) 02:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Trigger and WP:NDT as Wikipedia is a place without censorship and disclaimers at the top of pages for triggers aren't utilized. Wiiformii (talk) 01:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

There's List of cultural references to the September 11 attacks and Category:Works about the September 11 attacks but these aren't supposed to include works with only trivial mentions. Maybe doesthedogdie.com has what you want? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you soooo much for that website. Very helpful! Theow1004 (talk) 03:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Article translation

How do i add a language an article? When i try to do it, it just doesn’t show up when i try to add a langauge that the article hasn’t been translated too yet. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems to be working as intended, then! Why would you want to list a version of the article in another language that doesn't exist? Every article would just have 330 translation links, most of them useless. Remsense诉 03:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Blackmamba31248. I'm not sure what you mean. If you want to create a new translation then you must first create the article at the other wiki. Then you can add a language link by clicking "Add languages". PrimeHunter (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

To expand on a possible misunderstanding, Blackmamba31248, there is no automatic translation function in Wikipedia. If an article exists on (say) the English Wikipedia where we are now, and you would like there to be one on (say) the Arendellian Wikipedia, a completely separate project, someone would have to write one in Arendellian and create it there. Only after that could a link from the English Wikipedia article to the one on the Arendellian Wikipedia be created.

Although one way of creating the Arendellian-language article would be to translate the English one (and note that raw auto-translate program outputs may not be used for final article text, although one might use one on one's own device as an aid), this might have to be modified for the doubtless different requirements of the Arendellian Wikipedia. The translator would need to have a good grasp of both languages, particularly Arendellian, otherwise the Arendellian Editors would have too much work to do correcting the result.

It would be equally valid to write an article in Arendellian from scratch, using whatever reliable sources (which can be in any language) are available (including the ones already used here). It might have a different structure and different (even in translation) text from the article here, but once approved on the Arendellian Wikipedia, links between the two would be welcome as they are both on the same subject. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 08:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank for clearing this up. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding Template Data

Hello,

If I was to add template data, (Template:Infobox Uniform Crime Reports is in mind), do I have to worry about breaking the template on mainspace articles? I assume that changing the requirement status and data type would break stuff, but would changing the name or aliases do anything? Is there an in-depth tutorial about this?

Thank you! EatingCarBatteries (talk) 05:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi EatingCarBatteries. If you ask about this at Template talk:Infobox Uniform Crime Reports you'll probably get a more specific answer, but templates only work properly when they're used in accordance with their respective template documentation (i.e. you can only use the parameters specified in the documentation, and you can only use them as specified); so, even a minor change to a template's sytax can have a huge ripple effect depending on how widely the template is being used. Although this template doesn't seem to be one of the most highly used templates found on Wikipeida, it does still seem to be being used a fair amount of times. So, you might want be WP:CAUTIOUS here and propose changes on the template's talk page first, or maybe seek help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates or Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography before diving in head first. You could also trying practicing the changes you want to make in your user sandbox to see whether things work before actually attemption to edit the template's page itself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What to do: the Sequel

What counts as something not being notable enough? My draft (Draft: Federal Alliance of Eastern Sudan) was declined due to not meeting notability guidelines, but I thought it was. Am I wrong? The criteria stipulates that the sources need to not be just brief mentions of the subject in question but isn't a paragraph or so enough? Thanks. TheBrowniess (talk) 05:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Federal Alliance of Eastern Sudan

Hi TheBrowniess, Notability (organizations) is the relevant guideline but here but this one looks like it could be a bit of an edge case to me - every source is brief but as you say, they all give a paragraph or so. You could ask the reviewer who declined Grabup what they would consider significant coverage on this topic. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheBrowniess, The Sudan Tribune is the sole reliable source providing in-depth coverage. However, as per WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT, notability for organization requires multiple in-depth coverages from Independent reliable secondary sources. Additionally, The Sudan Tribune lacks author attribution, raising concerns about its accuracy which again fails WP:GNG’s Reliablity guidline which says “ Reliablity: means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.” That’s why I declined the Afc and commented that it needs more reliable secondary sources to establish notablity of the subject. Grabup (talk) 06:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I will concede then, I should've read the rules further before writing the draft, I guess. Thanks for your time, guys. Cheers! TheBrowniess (talk) 07:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

TheBrowniess Any access to non-English sources? This feels close to acceptable. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Spent a couple of minutes and I found none unfortunately, except for some weird translation services. TheBrowniess (talk) 10:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup could you review the recent changes? Thanks. TheBrowniess (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheBrowniess, Submit it for review, it will be reviewed. Grabup (talk) 12:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Position of boxes

I'm trying to get a Wikiquote box and a Wikimedia box on the Darth Vader page to align better. Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see the boxes below the "Works Cited" section. Ideally, I would like the two boxes to be side-by-side. Wafflewombat (talk) 10:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat I think this is because the templates are normally in an External links section, which you recently removed. The template page, e.g. {{Wikiquote}} gives some other options. Removing the |position=left parameters is one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

About location changes

Hello, I have a question about frequent location changes. This summer, I plan on traveling to many places. I like to edit Wikipedia during my trip. I understand that my IP address will change when I move from place to place. Will it be possible for me to continue editing Wikipedia despite the frequent changes in my location? Thanks for answering me! Hanoifun (talk) 13:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's no issue with editing from different areas (so long as it's not disruptive, as usual). Editing while you're logged in would also make it more difficult to track where you are. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun If you are concerned about editing from places (e.g. Internet cafes) but don't want to use your main account for security reasons, then it is perfectly acceptable to create an alternative account for that purpose: see WP:PUBSOCK. This is probably better than editing logged-out as all the separate IP addresses would be difficult to associate with you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Walkerton E. coli outbreak

 Courtesy link: Walkerton E. coli outbreak

I recently reviewed the page referenced above (Walkerton e-coli) and was surprised to see no reference to changes in provincial water testing that privatized testing and which impacted early detection of the source of contamination. https://www.archives.gov.on.ca/en/e_records/walkerton/report1/pdf/WI_Summary.pdf i also note that the page references 2000 cases when the official report states at least 2300. The page was last edited May 3, 2024 for an event dating from 2000. The Inquiry document referenced here dates from 2002. While I support Wikipedia, I’m not a good candidate to become an Editor and do not have the skill set to affect changes personally (though I will re-evaluate that moving forward) and suggest that those more knowledgeable update the page and perhaps monitor future changes … 166.48.156.22 (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. When you want to make suggestions but are not bold enough to do them yourself, the best place to place your suggestion is on the Talk Page of the article. In this case that would be Talk:Walkerton E. coli outbreak. There is an edit request wizard which will draw such ideas to the attention of editors who specialize in following up such requests, which is appropriate for articles like that one which don't have many page watchers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Questions about talk page conduct

Hey just, general question, if an editor consistently and summarily dismisses all conflicting opinions to theirs as 'twitter nonsense', deems any arguments contrary to their editorial opinion as wikilawyering despite none of the behaviors on the wikilawyering essay being even remotely approached, accuses other editors of bigotry against a country's people when they cite a human rights report on that country's government in evaluating the weight to give a statement from that government, randomly makes similar accusations even outside of those circumstances, says they'll take the next editor who cites that human rights report to ARBCOM, and in general makes consistent demands that editors that disagree with their ideas (such as on whether to use a primary source with a heavy conflict of interest to exclude reliably sourced and weighted dissenting viewpoints for instance) drop their disputing points or take them to twitter for no visible reason other than that they don't like it; does that fall afoul of anything in the realm of civility? Snokalok (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

To elaborate, what if they're a really, *really* influential editor? Like one of the oldest editors on the site influential? Not an admin, to clarify. Snokalok (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

If you can document specific examples, then start a case at WP:ANI or at WP:AE if the transgressions require ArbCom attention. No editor is "influential" and any editor, regardless of experience or longevity, can receive blocks or bans for behavioral reasons. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What's the practical difference between ANI and AE? Is it just that one is more a specific incident while the other is more longterm? Snokalok (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The biggest practical differences are that

1. AE requires that the dispute be related to a contentious topic area and that the reported editor be formally aware of that topic's contentious status
2. AE has word limits and sectioning that keep conversations smaller (usually)
3. AE decisions solicit input from all editors, but the decision is ultimately based on consensus of responding administrators. ANI decisions can be based on whole-community consensus.

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Collapsing a template

The template Template:Alphabet occupies a large amount of space down the right hand side of the pages where it is used. Examples are at:

• Hebrew alphabet, where it is currently invoked as {{alphabet}}
• Ugaritic alphabet, where it is currently invoked as {{alphabet|state=collapsed}}

Despite the different invocations, they seem to display the same; that is, the "state=collapsed" in the second example seems to have no effect.

The template itself starts:

{{#invoke:sidebar|collapsible
| heading1 = [[History of the alphabet]]
| expanded = {{#ifeq:{{{state|<noinclude>uncollapsed</noinclude>}}}|uncollapsed|all}}
| liststyle = text-align:left;
| ...

which suggests that collapsibility is potentially available. But the template documentation is almost non-existent and doesn't seem to mention collapsibility.

What is the mechanism to make it collapsible, please? Where, if at all, is it documented? If someone could tell me how to invoke it, I would then be happy to add a documentation note if required.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell from looking at Module:Sidebar, the "collapsible" parameter isn't actually an option, but I could be wrong. Rather, there's another template {{Sidebar with collapsible lists}} that is also implemented by that module, and it contains collapsible lists inside the sidebar. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for your useful replies here and at Template talk:Alphabet. The latter is probably the better place for follow-up. I think I am making progress. Feline Hymnic (talk) 21:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Is it okay for a user to manufacture articles with two lines ?

While checking this https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Saqib

Just came to this user saqib created 200+ articles with Autopatrolled rights only with two lines (alosmost all articles) and most of them are not properly cited. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and hundred more.

Is it okay to manufacture short articles with Autopatrolled rights? Because as per guidelines creating "clean" , well cited articles is mandatory!. Lkomdis (talk) 16:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I clicked on a few of your examples, and all seemed to be stubs about notable subjects, and all had at least one citation. What do you see is the problem? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

All looks similar "just two lines", not single article was expended by the the creater, as I checked. And if someone is notable can be create hundreds of articles with just two lines?. Is that the way, we should use Autopatrolled rights! Lkomdis (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Autopatrol has nothing to do with the ability to create articles, and you seem to be confused about what constitutes a clean page.

Autopatrol is a right given to users who have demonstrated they can create clean article pages, to reduce the workload of patrollers who don't have to patrol those creations.

Every example you gave is a clean page. Each presents a notable subject and a supporting secondary source. The fact that each page is a WP:Stub doesn't mean it isn't clean. Those pages conform to WP:LAYOUT, WP:HEADINGS, and other guidelines, they are properly categorized, and they are about notable subjects. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It was confusing for me because most of them resemble the dictionary of politicians. In the past, I believed that Autopatrolled rights were granted to individuals who produce articles that were both clean and elaborate. I appreciate your reply. Lkomdis (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Private Pages

Hello, I was curious if there is somewhere here, or on another website where you can make private Wikipedia pages. I feel reluctant to use the sandbox since other people may be able to edit or delete it. Wastelandhero18 (talk) 16:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

No, that isn't possible. However, your sandbox can be semi-protected so that anonymous IP addresses cannot edit it. I have protected user-space pages by request; let me know.

If you want a truly private draft, then compose it in a document on your personal computer. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wastelandhero18, welcome to the Teahouse. There are no private pages in Wikipedia. Other users can see User:Wastelandhero18/sandbox but are unlikely to edit it unless you place article categories or illegal content like copyright violations. The content should still be Wikipedia-related, e.g. tests and article drafts. If you want full privacy while still having access to Wikipedia features like our templates then you have to save your work elsewhere and only use "Show preview" here. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. Wastelandhero18 (talk) 17:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Presumably you can start a public wiki only you can edit. [5] may have something interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd say the issue with a "private draft" is that unless you intend it to be a draft forever, it's eventually going to be editable. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What are the limitations of {{display title}}?

I ask in regards to TM103: Hustlerz Ambition, would it be possible to have the page located at TM103 Hustlerz Ambition and use {{display title}} to have the level 1 header on the page say TM:103 Hustlerz Ambition? I understand [[TM:]] is a shortcut to the template namespace.

I feel like having the page at TM103: is facutally incorrect, it seems wrong to change the order of the punctuation just for the sake of getting the colon in there? If this were technically possible, I would start the WP:RM. Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@MicrobiologyMarcus: It can only be used to make the changes described at Template:DISPLAYTITLE § Description; adding a colon in the middle of the title is unfortunately not one of those things. The reasoning behind this is that the title needs to be able to be copy-pasted into links (and other things), and adding most characters in most places won't allow for that. Tollens (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: Ahh, of course. I image I will still commence a WP:RM as, in my opinion, the colon in the wrong location is a factually incorrect name as opposed to the omission of a colon, but others may agree. Good to know that if the page where to move, {{display title}} wouldn't be a fix. Many thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)