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October 6[edit]

Image:121_west_trade.jpg[edit]

Image:121_west_trade.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Alaskan_assassin (notify | contribs).

Tagged as CC-BY-SA 3.0 but license is really Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Nv8200p talk 00:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CAPres1920.png[edit]

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The result of the debate was: - Keep - Crypticfirefly appears correct that the creator intends for it not be be orphaned forever and it appears to have an article to live in, and be encyclopedic there - Peripitus (Talk) 10:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CAPres1920.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Socal gal at heart (notify | contribs).

OR, questionable encyclopaedic use SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Looks like this was made (along with a group of several others) to be included in a series of articles about various California elections, probably this one in particular: United States presidential election in California, 1920. No doubt the creator of the image is slowly adding them into the appropriate articles. By "OR" are you arguing that this is "original research"? But the image appears to be a correct diagram of what it purports to show and editor-created images are an exception to the rule against original research. Crypticfirefly (talk) 04:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was: speedily deleted per CSD I9 as a copyvio of [1]. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 09:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CNDEP.jpg[edit]

Image:CNDEP.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kakanakov (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:CPBBMark.gif[edit]

Image:CPBBMark.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pauwelsb (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CW Newsroom.jpg[edit]

Image:CW Newsroom.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Bstuggle (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Caariglea at presintation.jpg[edit]

Image:Caariglea at presintation.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Raymisterio (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Camel222.jpg[edit]

Image:Camel222.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hhasss (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kit body canada06h.PNG[edit]

Image:Kit body canada06h.PNG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Earl Andrew (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kit left arm canadal06h.PNG[edit]

Image:Kit left arm canadal06h.PNG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Earl Andrew (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kit arm right canadar06h.PNG[edit]

Image:Kit arm right canadar06h.PNG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Earl Andrew (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Cartoonfamous.jpg[edit]

Image:Cartoonfamous.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Figgisfiggisfiggis (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was: speedily deleted per CSD I9 as a copyvio of [2]. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 09:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Castoreum.JPG[edit]

Image:Castoreum.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jimmyfresno (notify | contribs).

OR, Questionable encyclopaedic use SkierRMH (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Cat-5CrossoverDiagram.JPG[edit]

Image:Cat-5CrossoverDiagram.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Candasmith (notify | contribs).

OR, Questionable encyclopaedic use SkierRMH (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Catalina-23.png[edit]

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The result of the debate was: - Moved to Commons - Peripitus (Talk) 10:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Catalina-23.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by D1taylor (notify | contribs).

OR, Questionable encyclopaedic use SkierRMH (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Used to be on Catalina Yachts. We don't seem to have another free image of this specific model, so I'd say keep (and preferably move to Commons). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 09:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Cellman.jpg[edit]

Image:Cellman.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Meganlaw15 (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Zirconia Dental Implant.jpg[edit]

Image:Zirconia Dental Implant.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JOSEPOLIVA (notify | contribs).

OR, possible (c) violation SkierRMH (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Chaturbuj temple.jpg[edit]

Image:Chaturbuj temple.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Chithiraiyan (notify | contribs).

OR, questionable encyclopaedic usefulness SkierRMH (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Don't know about "encyclopedic usefulness"-- more to the point, it seems a duplicate (though flipped & smaller) of Image:Khajuraho 043A.jpg. Crypticfirefly (talk) 04:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Stonefield Self-portrait.jpg[edit]

Image:Stonefield Self-portrait.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Stonefield (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:ChevyTrailBlazer2006.jpg[edit]

Image:ChevyTrailBlazer2006.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mytwocents (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Seoulsub003.jpg[edit]

Image:Seoulsub003.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Marcopolis (notify | contribs).

OR, questionable encyclopaedic usefulness SkierRMH (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Twochairs1.jpg[edit]

Image:Twochairs1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Stevejewett (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Musiccham.jpg[edit]

Image:Musiccham.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ern.rod (notify | contribs).

OR, UE SkierRMH (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Adel-Station.gif[edit]

Image:Adel-Station.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by AtD (notify | contribs).

Unused and Obsolete AtD (talk) 04:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Puzzle.png[edit]

Image:Puzzle.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Playtux (notify | contribs).

Copyright violation Playtux (talk) 04:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- On Commons. You'll need to request deletion for commons:Image:Puzzle.png. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Five man battle royal world title part 3 0001.jpg[edit]

Image:Five man battle royal world title part 3 0001.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by King1234567890 (notify | contribs).

Unneeded personal image, related to unencyclopedic topics Markcho world order, Trailor hood wrestling federation (THWF) ant the like, both in article and user space Tikiwont (talk) 08:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:1 tag titles.JPG[edit]

Image:1 tag titles.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by King1234567890 (notify | contribs).

Unneeded personal image, related to unencyclopedic topics Markcho world order, Trailor hood wrestling federation (THWF) and the like, both in article and user space Tikiwont (talk) 08:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:1Us Title.JPG[edit]

Image:1Us Title.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by King1234567890 (notify | contribs).

Unneeded personal image, related to unencyclopedic topics Markcho world order, Trailor hood wrestling federation (THWF) and the like, both in article and user space Tikiwont (talk) 08:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lo 001.jpg[edit]

Image:Lo 001.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by King1234567890 (notify | contribs).

Unneeded personal image, related to unencyclopedic topics Markcho world order, Trailor hood wrestling federation (THWF) and the like, both in article and user space Tikiwont (talk) 08:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:1lil a2.JPG[edit]

Image:1lil a2.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by King1234567890 (notify | contribs).

Unneeded personal image, related to unencyclopedic topics Markcho world order, Trailor hood wrestling federation (THWF) and the like, both in article and user space Tikiwont (talk) 08:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:THWF Black.JPG[edit]

Image:THWF Black.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by King1234567890 (notify | contribs).

Unneeded personal image, related to unencyclopedic topics Markcho world order, Trailor hood wrestling federation (THWF) and the like, both in article and user space Tikiwont (talk) 08:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:2SPEED.JPG[edit]

Image:2SPEED.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Speedcutter123 (notify | contribs).

Unneeded personal image, related to unencyclopedic topics Markcho world order, Trailor hood wrestling federation (THWF) and the like, both in article and user space Tikiwont (talk) 09:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Us Champ Speed.JPG[edit]

Image:Us Champ Speed.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Speedcutter123 (notify | contribs).

Unneeded personal image, related to unencyclopedic topics Markcho world order, Trailor hood wrestling federation (THWF) and the like, both in article and user space Tikiwont (talk) 09:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0155 12.JPG[edit]

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The result of the debate was: Delete - please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jacksterlinghowlett. Courtesy blank may be needed. --Carcharoth (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0155 12.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jacksterlinghowlett (notify | contribs).

Unused, no context for encyclopedic use. Wikipedia is not a place to host images of your paintings. —Bkell (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:IMG 0157.JPG[edit]

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The result of the debate was: Delete - please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jacksterlinghowlett. Courtesy blank may be needed. --Carcharoth (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0157.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jacksterlinghowlett (notify | contribs).

Unused, no context for encyclopedic use. Wikipedia is not a place to host images of your paintings. —Bkell (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:IMG 0152 222.JPG[edit]

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The result of the debate was: Delete - please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jacksterlinghowlett. Courtesy blank may be needed. --Carcharoth (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0152 222.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jacksterlinghowlett (notify | contribs).

Unused, no context for encyclopedic use. Wikipedia is not a place to host images of your paintings. —Bkell (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:IMG 0149 222.JPG[edit]

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The result of the debate was: Delete - please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jacksterlinghowlett. Courtesy blank may be needed. --Carcharoth (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0149 222.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jacksterlinghowlett (notify | contribs).

Unused, no context for encyclopedic use. Wikipedia is not a place to host images of your paintings. —Bkell (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:IMG 0140 222.JPG[edit]

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The result of the debate was: Delete - please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jacksterlinghowlett. Courtesy blank may be needed. --Carcharoth (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0140 222.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jacksterlinghowlett (notify | contribs).

Unused, no context for encyclopedic use. Wikipedia is not a place to host images of your paintings. —Bkell (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:IMG 0144-222.JPG[edit]

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The result of the debate was: Delete - please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jacksterlinghowlett. Courtesy blank may be needed. --Carcharoth (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0144-222.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jacksterlinghowlett (notify | contribs).

Unused, no context for encyclopedic use. Wikipedia is not a place to host images of your paintings. —Bkell (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:IMG 0145 222.JPG[edit]

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The result of the debate was: Delete - please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jacksterlinghowlett. Courtesy blank may be needed. --Carcharoth (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0145 222.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jacksterlinghowlett (notify | contribs).

Unused, no context for encyclopedic use. Wikipedia is not a place to host images of your paintings. —Bkell (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:IMG 0143 2222.JPG[edit]

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The result of the debate was: Delete - please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jacksterlinghowlett. Courtesy blank may be needed. --Carcharoth (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG 0143 2222.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jacksterlinghowlett (notify | contribs).

Unused, no context for encyclopedic use. Wikipedia is not a place to host images of your paintings. —Bkell (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:TS Michelangelo.jpg [edit]

Image:TS Michelangelo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kjet (notify | contribs).

Fair use image obsoleted by a free image (Image:Michelangelo 1962.jpg) — Kjet (talk · contribs) 16:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Biden-Palin_debate.jpg[edit]

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The result of the debate was: - Delete - largely per NFCC#8 though NFCC#1 is also at play. A non-free image must significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic - simply facilitating understanding or illustrating a subject is not sufficient - Peripitus (Talk) 11:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Biden-Palin_debate.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Justmeherenow (notify | contribs).

This image of two public figures, two lecterns, and a nondescript stage is rationaled to "accompany commentary on broadcast" despite the article having no critical commentary and discussion thereof as stipulated by the non-free content acceptable use guidelines.
The two figures poorly captured are already illustrated by libre media at Image:Joe Biden, official photo portrait 2-cropped.jpg and Image:Palin1.JPG, failing WP:NFCC#1. Further, the environment presented is easily described with libre text also—falling short of WP:NFCC#1.
The 2000×1329 (520 KB) image quickly fails WP:NFCC#3b, and although probably easily rectifiable, I cannot at this time.
Again, the setting and subjects illustrated need not be with copyrighted material to significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic (nor would its omission would be detrimental to that understanding) failing WP:NFCC#8.
Lastly, the image is used on more than the one rationale provided, failing the WP:NFCC#10c qualifier. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 17:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Illustrative use. Fails #8. --Damiens.rf 18:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Such an article (currently being expanded) is not written only for Americans or even necessarily for people here and now in 2008. It's not those who have already seen a movie whose understanding is facilitated by a screenshot from it found in a review. And also the audience this article is written to -- and the audience all Wikipedia articles are written to -- might well be someone found on some distant shore or else who might come to read it ten years from now, their having no prior exposure to information about the article's subjects. And this screenshot imparts subtle and useful information about the historical media event it has documented. $\sim$ Justmeherenow ( ) 02:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- As far as I can tell, your actual argument for keeping this media boiled down to the image containing subtle indescribable elements that require such copyrighted imagery to comprehend. Neither your argument, nor the IDP clearly explain why or how this image is requisite for understanding the article in which it's used.
  Again, the two public figures, a stage, and two lecterns are easily describable in context, and the two participants already have many available libre images with which to identify them. What here is so incomprehensible to the readers that they would require this non-free image to understand?
  Please see my previous salient and deliniated points for the specific and un-vague reasons this image isn't necessary. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 11:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for the reason cited by Justmeherenow. That said, it would be worth continuing to watch the status of this image. Some of the major networks agreed to release the rights to some of the earlier debates "without restriction." (An example here.) That may yet happen with this one. Crypticfirefly (talk) 03:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Per my above reply, I can't actually find any specific reasoning by justmeherenow (talk · contribs), just the one vague claim of subtle indescribable elements contained within the 520 KB worth of pixels that imbues the article with copious ineffable understandability that it otherwise cannot have. Right. Or not?
  Do you have any specific countering for the points I actually brought up initially for deletion? — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 11:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - (Re Thor: Lol.)
  - I'll make my way back to the image's page eventually and license it under "fair use" under the additional rationale that it documents a historic event. $\sim$ Justmeherenow ( ) 06:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - ^YDone. $\sim$ Justmeherenow ( ) 06:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Um, okay? That doesn't address any of the issues infirming this image whatsoever, but I certainly don't have any qualms against an additional licensing tag. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 13:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Justmeherenow, do you understand this is not enough of a reason for keeping using a non-free image? --Damiens.rf 17:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thor, to provide the answer to your question, even though it appears to be rhetorical, let me reemphasize: no, those wishing to delete this fair use of this image have not adaquately explained how replacement, generic portraits of the two individuals involved in this historical event would equal the information provided by a specific image of the event itself. Of course, it's true that, yes, I understand that you believe that generic portraits of Biden and Palin provide adaquate information to accompany commentary on their debate. Nonetheless, this discussion is only a few days old and IMO not enough time has transpired to get a sense of what the community at large's determination would be. But thanks for your responding after every post!

\sim

Justmeherenow ( ) 19:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:MTAMD11.jpg[edit]

Image:MTAMD11.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sebwite (notify | contribs).

Low quality image. Near impossible to tell if description of image is correct. Millbrooky (talk) 22:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Mta58bus.jpg[edit]

Image:Mta58bus.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sebwite (notify | contribs).

Low Quality image with bug splatter. Millbrooky (talk) 22:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MTAMD54.jpg[edit]

Image:MTAMD54.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sebwite (notify | contribs).

Low quality image with subject partially cut-off. Millbrooky (talk) 22:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I do think quality is good enough, and it is clear that this is the subject described in the article. But if I am able to obtain a better quality image in the future, I do plan to replace it. Sebwite (talk) 00:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Manipulation.jpg[edit]

Image:Manipulation.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Apocaplops (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic personal photo Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Nick_D'Virgilio.JPG[edit]

Image:Nick_D'Virgilio.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by LizParker (notify | contribs).

Orphaned image, uploader claims that the image was sent for use on Wikipedia and then applied the GFDL-presumed license -- insufficiently licnesed. Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Oldburyhillfort.jpg[edit]

Image:Oldburyhillfort.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Adamsan (notify | contribs).

This image is very low quality due to being fuzzy, it uses the GFDL-presumed licnese and the uploader is long absent. While the image is in use, it does not add anything (IMO) to the article and can be easily removed. Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:P1010066.jpg[edit]

Image:P1010066.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Vegemighty (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, licensed with GFDL-presumed tag Jordan 1972 (talk) 23:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now Commons. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Phil_Wardle_with_uilleann_pipes.jpg[edit]

Image:Phil_Wardle_with_uilleann_pipes.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Phil_Wardle (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, unencyclopedic personal photo Jordan 1972 (talk) 23:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to delete it, thanks. --Phil Wardle (talk) 03:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]