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Hi. Would you mind providing a little more information on your source for this image? I've usually seen the banner represented as looking more like File:RPCLogoIcon.png, so naturally I'm interested in your alternate representation. Could you provide some information as to where you got this picture? Thanks muchly,

-- TimNelson 11:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's an RP logo, like this:[1] or this[2], which I think only dates to the 19th century. A quick Google search shows two similar versions to what I posted: [3][4] I'd love to know when "Christ's Crown and Covenant" showed up; my guess is that "King and Kingdomes" didn't transplant well to the United States. Yakuman (数え役満) 11:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating! I've been told by an Irishman that Ian Paisley apparently tried to grab trademark status on it (I think his words were on "the Blue Banner", but which one I'm not sure). The Irish RP church uses it too[5]. And I'm sure I've seen another one with a lion on it sometime, but I can't seem to find it any more. You may be right about the transplantation. "Religion" clearly refers to Presbyterianism (I'm assuming from context here), and "Kingdomes" to England/Ireland/Scotland. The question in my mind now is whether "King" refers to Christ, or to the UK king (or whatever) that they were supporting at the time. Our church library has a reprint of "A Cloud of Witnesses" (originally 1714) with wonderful typesetting, which has an engraving with the "For Christ's Crown and Covenant" inscription on it. I suspect the reprint, though, is 18-something.

The one at covenanter.org is particularly interesting because I've been told that the original Blue Banner had bullet holes in it.

-- TimNelson 12:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you go to http://www.rpc.org the website of the RPC of Ireland, you'll find a different-colour version of Tim Nelson's banner, using the same wording. The logo of the Airdrie RPCS, about the only remaining RP congregation in Scotland, uses the same design. It's not just an RPCNA thing. Nyttend 15:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You'll notice [5] above also links to rpc.org. The RPCAustralia also uses a banner similar to that of the RPCNA/RPCI.

-- TimNelson 09:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wrong about the banner, I think. "Martyrs, Heroes, and Bards of the Scottish Covenant" by George Gilfillan has "Christ's Crown and Covenant" going back to covenanter times, unfurled by a General Leslie. (p. 38) Yakuman (数え役満) 03:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I know what to search for, I can see this on Alexander Leslie, 1st Earl of Leven :). Thanks!

-- TimNelson 09:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit late, but I've made an SVG version of this here. Can anyone see the text as originally rendered, and if not, could it be replaced with a better version? Oc t ane ^{[improve me]} 14.01.08 0022 (UTC)