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"'We map the world as it is:' National Geographic maps Crimea as part of Russia". RT. 19 March 2014. Retrieved 19 March 2014. While policies are still being worked out, there was a situation this morning on Wikipedia's English-language page for Russia. Several hours ago, the map reflected the new agreement, but was later changed back to depicting Crimea as a territory outside Russia.

Lack on Neutrality[edit]

Under Macedonia in wiki(NATO)pedia it is stated that Macedonia is bordering Kosovo. If this is the case then Russia is bordering South Ossetia and Abhazia. It must be one way or the other. Two ways cannot stand if this aims to be objective and neutral source

We need to update Russias teritory to include the Crimean peninsula. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.6.63.109 (talk) 15:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Crimea[edit]

I'd imagine this map will need to be updates to include recent events in Crimea but it needs to indicate its disputed nature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.73.107 (talk) 16:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

no its not, russia controls crimea thats why it should be painted dark green like the rest of the country while ukraine has lost control meaning their map should it show in lighter green. Only territories not controlled by a country but claimed should be painted as disputed (light green)--Crossswords (talk) 18:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Right now Crimea's status is disputed. It declared independence from Ukraine although only Russia recognizes this independence. It is not a part of the Russian Federation as the referendum means nothing until the Russian agrees for Crimea to become a part of the Russian Federation and even then we have to take into account the international community's recognition or lack there of into consideration. At this point in time Crimea is in a similar state to Abkhazia and South Ossetia. - SuperTank17 (talk) 20:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has orthographic map conventions that address how to represent disputed territory, it is shown here: the conventions. Wikipedia's orthographic map conventions state that disputed territory should be displayed in a shade of light green.--74.12.195.248 (talk) 00:01, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Crimeas status as of today's agreement between Russia and them is not longer disputed. They are now official ya part of Russia. And I have a question ? Why wouldent Crimea be dark green ? There is a section of India that is claimed by China but in the map of India it's marked as dark green because they control it so I don't see why this is any different ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bleach143 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Crimea's status is disputed by Ukraine and other countries. Above I pointed out Wikipedia's orthographic map conventions, shown here: the conventions. These conventions state that disputed claimed territory should be displayed in a shade of light green. If there are inconsistencies with those conventions on maps of China and India used on their pages, then those inconsistencies need to be addressed for not conforming to Wikipedia's conventions.--74.12.195.248 (talk) 03:51, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the convention says "claimed" (not "disputed") should be displayed in a shade of light green. Russia is not "claiming" Crimea, it's actually controlling it, just as in the case of India/China mentioned above. It's in the Ukrainian map where Crimea should be displayed in a shade of light green. Wadim (talk) 11:42, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it is possible for Russia and the Crimea to use an example of Morocco and Western Sahara? [1] --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 13:41, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Russia is claiming Crimea because there is a territorial dispute involving Crimea in which the legal allocation of Crimea to either Russia or Ukraine is in dispute. De facto control does not alter the fact of a legal dispute over the territory, thus it is claimed territory under de facto control of Russia. I do not support using the Morocco map as a model because it is not following Wikipedia's conventions on orthographic maps.--74.12.195.248 (talk) 13:43, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

However analogies with India/China have to be held in account. I believe that there is a soft mistake: the international recognition is, in every international law manual, considered as not constitutive of anything: the international community simply acknowledges that there was a change, but it (however formed or considered) does not sanction this change. A lack of international recognition does not hinder in any way the effectiveness of the territorial change. Therefore, if Russia controls the peninsula and claims to be its own land, Crimean peninsula should be depicted in dark green in Russian maps and in light green in Ukrainian ones: if Crimea will be reverted back to Ukraine, there we should change again the map.Mach (talk) 14:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Also I have to point out another problem with this light green color: given the scale of the country and the size of the image used in the infobox, the peninsula is barely visible. The Kaliningrad Oblast is 15100 km2 and it is clearly distinguishable, while Crimea, with 27000 km2 is not. Wadim (talk) 16:54, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]