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Germany

Why is Germany green and not yellow or red? A lot of people go to court for file-sharing and there is, currently, no "strike method". Even if you can access it, usage easily results in fines which amount to hundreds, if not thousands, of Euros. Considering that lives are financially destroyed this way, that should be considered as great grave risk.

USA

SurrogateSlav can you explain why the US is light green and not regular green? Thanks. Terrorist96 (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

@Terrorist96: Because based on a lot of info I gathered, the US enforces it by trying to directly take down the sites themselves with the support of various companies, organizations and lawyers, or private ISPs are permitted to apply their own manner of how to deal with this situation. For example, companies like Verizon are applying a new law which regulates the speed of the internet depending on which site you are using (if they catch you torrenting, they slow your internet down to a crawl), and other ISPs use a 6 strike program that disables your internet longer and permanently on the 6th strike each time they catch you. I heard something about a "personal use OK, bootlegs NOT" law being applied, but no updates so far. Like I said, if you are 100% sure this info is legit, you may modify the map yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SurrogateSlav (talk • contribs) 13:12, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@SurrogateSlav:I live in the US. Yes, the US may sometimes seize a website (like Megaupload or Kickass Torrents), but that hasn't happened with The Pirate Bay (at least not yet). I actually have Verizon service (both for my mobile and home Internet) and while companies have the ability to slow your speeds, it's usually not done, and no ISP censors access to TPB in the US. The way it works is that if you torrent on a public site (like TPB) and a copyright enforcer is watching that swarm, they'll record your IP, and send a notice to the corresponding ISP. Your ISP will then (voluntarily) forward that notice to you, telling you to cut it out. After several times, they will slow your speed for a couple days as "punishment" but they never prevent you from accessing TPB. There's actually a pending lawsuit involving Cox Communications and BMG, regarding the termination of "repeat infringers" (with BMG arguing that Cox is not terminating repeat infringers and Cox arguing that repeat infringers cannot be labeled as such based on one-sided accusations vs a trial declaring them as such, among other things; check it out if you're interested), so this is a gray area currently and is in flux. I've basically convinced myself to keep it light green for now.Terrorist96 (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Terrorist96: Good looking out, good luck and just watch yourself. I'm in the Netherlands and they're gonna start fining torrent users like in Germany this Autumn.

Netherlands

SurrogateSlav, why is the Netherlands orange? I'm perfectly able to visit Piratebay directly with KPN. I know Xs4all and Ziggo were forced to block it but that's maybe only half the market at most. Marking it as banned isn't really true. Prinsgezinde (talk) 12:51, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Prinsgezinde, Ik weet, maar er is ook alleen een ISP in Zweden welke blokkert TPB, en het maakt zorg als je gaat naar die kleinere onafhankelijke ISPs. Een minimaal ISP welke blokeert het in een land is genoeg voor oranje. En je moet ook helemaal pas op. Ze geven boetes in Nederland vanaf Kerstmis als je geen VPN heeft. SurrogateSlav (talk) 11:49, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

SurrogateSlav: I didn't catch all of that but I see what your intentions are. Making it orange whenever even one ISP blocks it seems reasonable. But for the record, while they obviously blocked the site from being accessible, KPN (the second-largest provider) refused to cooperate with BREIN or even strictly enforce their ban in the two years they were forced to block it. In fact, none of the ISPs cooperated; each of them just redirecting you to a page that said they unfortunately were forced to by BREIN but that they were going to fight it in court. Those fines happened literally only a handful of times, and seemed to be mostly used to deter others. Censorship in the Netherlands never sticks. Prinsgezinde (talk) 23:32, 11 December 2017 (UTC)