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Shanghai Italian Concession !!!

This is bull, there never was an Italian concession in Shanghai. There was a French Concession and there were a British concession and an American concession that merged to become the International Settlement in the 1860s and which on the eve of WW I comprised 17 countries (including Italy). There NEVER was a separate Italian concession in Shanghai and that map you made up yourself is pure fantasy.--Lubiesque (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I find unbelievable that someone writes "so easily" about the non-existence of the Italian concession in the Shanghai International Settlement....I have done the map from this Chinese written map = http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=102421 Please, inform yourself well before writing something on a serious encyclopedia!......... Furthermore, here it is an excerpt from the 1947 Peace Treaty's article 26, written at the end of the article I have done about Italian-controlled areas in China and showing that it existed: ....Italy renounces in favor of China the rights accorded to Italy in relation to the International Settlements at Shanghai and Amoy, and agrees to the reversion of the said Settlements to the Administration and control of the Chinese Government.......The "reversion" was for something, don't you agree? And it was related to a concession, because it was a "lease" and not a colonial possession. The difference with the Italian concession in Tientsin was that the "lease" was given by the Chinese government DIRECTLY to Italy, while with the Shanghai the concession or lease was given by the Chinese authorities to the Shanghai International Settlement (S.I.S.) and then was "subleased" to Italy: but it was always a CONCESSION! As an example, the case is similar to an apartment leased by the owner (China) to a renter (S.I.S.), who rents a room of the apartment to another person (Italy).....it is always a rental contract (leased or subleased), ok?--Oldsettler (talk) 14:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Bull

"This article focuses on the sole Italian concession (zujie) that existed in China between 1901 and 1947. This is the only example of Italian colonialism in Asia. The concession was located in the Hebei district of the modern municipality of Tianjin. It was established in 1901 as a consequence of the signature of the «Boxer Protocol», since Italian troops had participated in an international military mission, called the eight-nation alliance, which on 14 August 1900 had entered and occupied Beijing, putting an end to the Boxer Rebellion. The article compares the theoretical bases which underpinned....--Lubiesque (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2014 (UTC) http://transtexts.revues.org/147#tocto1n2

.........what Marinelli wrote above is ONLY REFERRED TO TIENTSIN (can you understand this simple fact/reality?)!!! Do you understand that there were other territories (all well referenced, read them please in the article) in China under Italian control? Do you understand -for example- what is written in the 1947 Peace Treaty's articles related to China (Articles 25 & 26 written in english)?.....--Oldsettler (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)